Hansone, Rico, buck, great game tonight. I was disconnected.

Well one of my favorite names that Michael use. Man he sure was fun to fly with!!!

WWI pursuit pilots did not fly straight into the teeth of enemy fire because it was 'honorable".

WWI pilots did not fly straight into the teeth of enemy fire.

WWI pilots sought every advantage they could get, from assaulting slower, relatively helpless recon planes to hanging in the sun and dropping like a rock out of the opponent's blind spot to trying to lure enemy planes into killing each other with their own crossfire. They agreed to a man that the optimum circumstance was a clear shot in the back. How "dishonorable" of them.

What WWI pilots never did was play chicken from the digital equivalent of five miles away while they humped a bomb across the map. Over and over. And over. With a plane not designed to carry bombs. Dedicated bombers did not lumber off from their base without fighter escort. Ever. To suggest that they did bespeaks a near complete ignorance of The Great War in the Air.

Despite some recent carping by notorious boo-boo babies, I do not make a habit of "camping" and I certainly don't "camp" against an outnumbered red team unless that outnumbered red team is trying to back-shoot me as I break off for my base, which happens almost every time you try to break off and head back to base. Don't want me "camping"? Stop trying to shoot me as I leave, genius.

If I've succeeded in penetrating to the enemy base or carrier and dropped my bomb i will kill what needs killing until either my fellow bombers have been covered on their incoming runs or I've bought myself the opportunity to safely return to base. Meanwhile, I will continue to make the free choice to carry a bomb, drop a bomb, use a bomb as a badminton birdie or a paperweight or dental floss or slingshot the damn dumb bomb around the dark side of the moon hitting both outnumbered reds on its reentry into the atmosphere.

WWI pilots did not surrender an advantage when the enemy pilots cried, "Not fair!". Shocking, I know.

I've been playing Dogfight for something shy of two years and have been electing to shed my bomb in roughly half my sorties for two, maybe three months. but I have "camped" and will continue to occasionally "camp" when circumstances dictate and when it benefits my team. "Not fair?" Why then, simply shoot me down.

I happen to feel that the undeniable presence of sync-lag with Windows 8 users constitutes a "not fair" advantage and I've done my share of whining about it. So...I adapt my game play accordingly and have been doing so for the aforementioned few months. If I know a Win8 user to be on the red team, I will drop my bomb in order to neutralize his long-range edge. It does nothing against those Win8 users who have blinding turbo-boost in turns, (and they know who they are) nor does it alter the fact that some players have traditionally enjoyed a clear advantage due to their oomphier WiFi connection speed and/or their optimal iPad gadgetry. Again, I adapt. it's what WWI pilots did. If you find my adaptive game play style "disgraceful", by all mean devote that energy you're wasting on childish carping to shooting me down. Many have.

Dogfight strives to be a "WWI air combat simulation". Too many people are too determined to make it a first person arcade shooter. So you can hit a semi-visible dot before it hits you. Congratulations. You must rock at Wolfenstein 3D. Some of us aspire to playing the game Joaquin Grech is working very hard to refine and expand. He didn't design it because he admires a DOOM savant and his ability to shoot a dot in a straight line for hours on end. He didn't call it "Dogfight" because he thinks the term means "pixel jousting". He's a World War I aviation buff with a passion for the history of The Great War in the Air, as am I and as are many of us.

If you find objectionable anything to do with anyone's right to play this game as they choose, particularly if their choice is to play it as close to historical accuracy as the game allows, my recommendation is that you learn to dogfight in Dogfight. But that is, of course, your choice.

--w--

Didn't want to quote the whole thing.... Liked it all, But this. I been pissin this in the snow for all to see for quite some time,,,,(sayin it lots but no one cares) I just gotta quote this from Rick.... I liked this...


Quote from Rick (Wig),

Despite some recent carping by notorious boo-boo babies, I do not make a habit of "camping" and I certainly don't "camp" against an outnumbered red team unless that outnumbered red team is trying to back-shoot me as I break off for my base, which happens almost every time you try to break off and head back to base. Don't want me "camping"? Stop trying to shoot me as I leave, genius.

Il second both Rick and Brett in saying that once im inside the enemy perimiter, I let those on the ground get airborne, but as soon as I see bullets, am I gonna just say "il just sit and hope I dont get shot" - Hell no! - il give em everything ive got and if they wanna try n shoot me on my exit then guess what? - Same thing applies! The game is called dogfight correct? Not "shoot me while I am going away" - lets do this via the quotation thingy shall we?

The following was copied from the online "urban dictionary"

Dogfight

A aerial conflict where 2 to a unlimited amount of fighter planes are involved, the goal is to destroy the other fighter planes, usually to clear a way for bombers.

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So now that we are clear, Rick (. Wig) is playing as per genuine rules of engagement ala dogfight.
Anyone still confused by the word should have the complete encyclopaedia brittannica shoved into a discreet place about their person (look up the word "rectum" for definition)

keep it up Rick, you have broken no rules, dented the pride of those incapable of comprehending both english literature and events of historical significance to the point that the significance of the mutterings forecoming is insignificant.

I think I'm going blind... can't see the bloody forest

Hello MOMs, just thought I would stop and say hi. always a pleasure to fly with a MOM....when they are blue red not so much

I have another one. This come's to mind reading part of Wig's post.

This is to all DogFighters, Don't bitch about other players, especially Wig ingame with me there. It doesn't work. I don't go telling Wig or any other player someone's sphinkter loosened up and out fell a brown stream of he did this and he did that....

So heres one example, only an example. Read carefully before bashing me......

Was in a Game with Swop and another player about a week or 2 ago. They get to talking about Wig. I play and mind my own business till I can't handle it anymore, only for the fact that I felt they were baiting me. I say's, It's not going to work. I am not going to go report to Wig everytime someone has a Tissy with him, everytiime someone talks about him. I said my peace.
After saying my peace, Swop speaks up and say's, (Not his exact words). I wasn't putting Wig down. You got it all Wrong Dent. For getting it all wrong Swop, I really apologise.. I thought you were baiting me. It sure did sound like you 2 were complaining about Wig just to get me going. On with the story.
Swop straighten's me out and begins to tell me what an outstanding person Wig is. Sounded a bit different from the previous talk but Hey I've been wrong before. I listened to how wonderful Wig is for a minute or two and had to ask a question that's been bothering me for some time. So now that we know Wig is wonderful (from Swop) and I just misunderstood swop, heres the something else that was bothering me.
I asked Swop if he really thought I was a retard. I had heard through the rumor mill (no one from MOM) That I may be retarded.

Now, I don't mind being retarded but here's the thing.
All about Wig, Let's just pretend Wig thinks I'm a retard. Wig treat's me with respect as a person in the half assed internet world, in game he shoots my ass off. If it's acting he's good at it.

All about Swop, does he really think I'm retarded? I feel he taunts me ingame, tries to get at me. I think I'm being nice and it blow's up in my face. I asked about the retard comment and He left the game. I really don't think Swop thinks I'm retarded but I sure feel that way around him sometimes. I really can't tell what he thinks of me. I guess it's all in my head and now that it's out maybe I'll feel better...

Ok it's time to get off Mucks couch, kick Ktheo in the ass, give MadtotheMoM a kiss, Purple nurple M4tin, wedgie Rico, give my red dress to oedius for a week and let the rest of the SC out of the closet...
Wig, you usually understand what I'm trying to say. If you care to elaborate on what I'v said here, or are able to make what I've said make more sense, please feel free... You know I can speak it but can't type it..... Thx... I'm done for a month or three now.... C'yall I really hate typing...Can't stand it.

Oh, I don't know, Dent. For a developmentally challenged person you express yourself quite well.

A couple thoughts, though your post doesn't need any help from me:

Baiting, backbiting and bad-mouthing happen in every junior high school girl's restroom. There are times when Dogfight is almost indistinguishable. The biggest little girls are often the high ranking veterans who don't like having to adjust or adapt their formulaic approach to the game. There are plenty of players who can beat me flat at least half the time. Brett, you are certainly among 'em. Some beat me head-on, some beat me in turn fights, some both. Do it if you can. If you can't, you'll be astonished to learn that it isn't my problem.

i will drop a bomb fulla Mute on anyone I catch using the word "retard" in a game. The same goes for "gay". If you're homophobic, racist, sexist, or otherwise socially underdeveloped take your G word, your N word, your C word and your R word and ply that ignorant trash in another game. It isn't welcome here.

--w--

Brett, to be different distinguishes you as a person, so you dont follow the herd - so what, if we were all sheep then the world woukd be a lot duller. Brett dont ever change my friend you are unique as are the best of us...just look at einstein? And I bet he would be useless in a dogfight! - you are a class act and I rate you as one of the greatest guys in this game. Next time someone says you are a retard just say this.. "if im a retard, how come your plane is on fire?" And then let em have it! - oh btw wheres that kiss - im all puckered up lol, am I gay......yes hugely so (look it up in a dictionary to see what kind of gay I mean as there is more in the word gay than most think) - what agay day hehehe - it means happy!

Dent you are not a retard, I dont get it, thats for re pavement of roads... tell them SPEED BUMP might be a better analogy.anyway Rick said it best, as always
:^) well done.

Dent if you are happy with yourself, than the rest can go to ...well you know.

Why nobody calls me gay retard? They call me cheater, f*****, s.o.b. etc. but not gay retard. Maybe I did something wrong?

A couple of scores from todays games. First is defend the zep and other Bomb the base. Where are all MoMs?

Looking at the iPad on my lap, I wonder:...........does wood qualify as forest?

Ok tried to quote bellsaj, didn't work



Nope not working for me, maybe two many distractions

Man I just love you guys! (in the good gay way that Mad talked about)

You all crack me up! "BOO BOO BABIES" "Rectum.....( sounds like a painful hiding spot) "Retards.... Hiding in the girls restroom of a junior high school"<---- I could of used that info back in the day... Just sayin....

SWOP WAS CALLING PLAYERS NAMES.....??? WTF? now I know why all the storms are spinning out of control around the world!!!!! Repent!!!! REPENT!!!!

I am sure it say's something somewhere about some one saying "Tho shalt not.....something or rather-ish like that........"

P.S. WTF= Where's The French-fries? (Sorry i don't want to get caught up in the repenting......)

P.P.S. (Or is it) P.S.S. (Well ether way) MAN I LOVE WHEN MOM END UP ON THE TIP OF EVERYONES TOUNGE!!!! It always kicks up the forum action!!!

One more thing....... DAMN THAT DUDE . wig! CAN WRITE!!!! Somebody slap me and call me Susan!!! <---Google it

YEMX wrote: Man I just love you guys! (in the good gay way that Mad talked about)

You all crack me up! "BOO BOO BABIES" "Rectum.....( sounds like a painful hiding spot) "Retards.... Hiding in the girls restroom of a junior high school"<---- I could of used that info back in the day... Just sayin....

SWOP WAS CALLING PLAYERS NAMES.....??? WTF? now I know why all the storms are spinning out of control around the world!!!!! Repent!!!! REPENT!!!!

I am sure it say's something somewhere about some one saying "Tho shalt not.....something or rather-ish like that........"

P.S. WTF= Where's The French-fries? (Sorry i don't want to get caught up in the repenting......)

P.P.S. (Or is it) P.S.S. (Well ether way) MAN I LOVE WHEN MOM END UP ON THE TIP OF EVERYONES TOUNGE!!!! It always kicks up the forum action!!!

One more thing....... DAMN THAT DUDE . wig! CAN WRITE!!!! Somebody slap me and call me Susan!!! <---Google it

SLAP...SLAP..hi Susan

Come on wig. Tell us how you really feel! Well put boss. I love to bomb stuff but virtually every time I turn to head back to the base somebody shoots at me. Completely understandable in my book. But then don't get ticked off if I turn around to fight back ! The objective is to win the game. Period.

P.S. How can you tell who are win 8 users or sync lag players? Other than getting killed at long range?

Sgt.York wrote: Come on wig. Tell us how you really feel! Well put boss. I love to bomb stuff but virtually every time I turn to head back to the base somebody shoots at me. Completely understandable in my book. But then don't get ticked off if I turn around to fight back ! The objective is to win the game. Period.

The best statment of the day!!!!!!!

"The objective is to win the game. Period."

Sgt.York wrote: P.S. How can you tell who are win 8 users or sync lag players? Other than getting killed at long range?

For me if it looks like "Voo-Doo WitchCraft" in the air....... (Like Dent said.... I have been wrong before, so don't take my word for it...)

Sgt.York wrote: P.S. How can you tell who are win 8 users or sync lag players? Other than getting killed at long range?

I can tell the moment I'm hit by one, Ted. There are unmistakable characteristics to the way their planes and gunfire behave. If you get hit by a shot from a plane that's already passed you, like it shot you with a pistol out the side of the cockpit...Win8. If you get downed by what seems like a single hit from a noob four miles away who showed no signs of gauging your position, just fired a shot that hit and killed...Win8. if you're in the same model plane as someone and he blazes past you in a circling turn fight like he was shot from a cannon...yup. Not an absolute, but so close as to render any quibbling pointless. I've guessed wrong maybe twice out of 2000 times.

Next few days I will fly as Poppakone.

Wigbomb wrote:

Sgt.York wrote: P.S. How can you tell who are win 8 users or sync lag players? Other than getting killed at long range?

I can tell the moment I'm hit by one, Ted. There are unmistakable characteristics to the way their planes and gunfire behave. If you get hit by a shot from a plane that's already passed you, like it shot you with a pistol out the side of the cockpit...Win8. If you get downed by what seems like a single hit from a noob four miles away who showed no signs of gauging your position, just fired a shot that hit and killed...Win8. if you're in the same model plane as someone and he blazes past you in a circling turn fight like he was shot from a cannon...yup. Not an absolute, but so close as to render any quibbling pointless. I've guessed wrong maybe twice out of 2000 times.

Yeah. That is really frustrating. I will adjust accordingly! It's nice to know though that it not just my reflexes going out! I can't tell you how many times I have felt like I'm never going to amount to a hill of beans against some players out there. I'd need a P51 to keep up! (Wrong war) Anyway, like I said, I'll figure out how to deal with it. I'm kinda a small guy. Up there in Motown I survived by hiding around a corner with a baseball bat! If you get me drift!

I will even expand some of what WIG wrote. (Good post by the way)

It seems to me that different devises has different strenghts and advantages. For my ipad my strength is head on. With my good eyesight and steady hand I'm able to rack up some pretty good scores. However i was so depentant upon that strength that when I came accross a fighter like WIG i usually didn't have a chance. It was a hugh mistake by myself to be depentant on one style of play and I was already a MORAF before I realized that I needed to learn to dogfight.

After I realized that I needed to learn how to dogfight i studied the various posts on dogfighting extensively. I even bought a new tablet that was supposed to be better in the dogfight department and it was but I lost some of my ability for head on shooting. I choose to stay on the ipad as i like my head on shooting.

My recommendation is for you to learn all styles of this game. Lets take WIG for example, he learned to do both head on and dogfight. If you don't shoot him quickly in a head on than you will most surely die and if you are not profficent in the art of dogfight than once again you can surely die. No one ever told me this.

Now does this mean you have to lose a dogfight when you come accross players like WIG if you are on a ipad. The answer is no, not every time. Like the man said you can learn to counter act some of that, like when he straightens out to shoot at another player you might be able to pop him if you learn to be quick enough. Contrary to popular belief you can also dogfight on the ipad but it sure takes a lot of practice to be able to go against WIG and survive. I can now dogfight with much more confidence and I can even win with several players except some of the best players like WIG I cannot touch (yet anyhow) however I can now make it harder for him.

There is one way to learn, stay in the game with these tough players and learn. I would much rather see WIG as a red than a blue as it's always good to play against him.

Yes I've been called a cheater by lesser players, I don't care, I just play the game, have fun and learn. I try not to whine much however i do not like the laggers much. They frustrate me.

Just one more thing, I've seen several comments on sneaking. I do not find sneaking to be a bad thing, if you are inclined to sneak than that should be a part of the game. I never mind a red sneaker, I think its fun trying to get him.

If I see a camper that is a blue i will usually say something like don't camp especially if the game is uneven. I don't mind campers as reds, I love trying to clear my base of reds, it's fun and will do nothing but make you a better player.

I agree 100% with everything you say Davey.

I have recently changed the way a view this whole game. Admittedly I use to hate droppers, campers and sneakers. I use to grind my teeth every time I seen them. But reality is there not doing anything wrong, there just using what tools they've been given. Looking back at it now I realise the only reason I really didn't like them was because.. Well.. They were beating me. They were regularly killing me and bombing my hangers and I wasn't good enough to stop them, so I got it in my head that they were playing "unfair".

After reading up about these things on forum and seeing from their point of view, I started to change the way I think. I wanted to be able to defend myself against people when they challenged me. So I did what Davey did, I started practising, and learning about actually dogfighting. And with the help of some other great pilots giving me tips and advise, I feel I'm well on my way.

Sneaking doesn't take much to beat, you just have to keep tabs on your enemy, when you haven't seen someone in a while.... There sneaking. So just go back to base, gain some altitude and wait, they will show up eventually.

Sure, I will always have my preferred style of flying, which is punching straight down the middle and bombing, because honestly I get a huge hit from being in a 1v6 game, and pushing the enemy all the way back to there base solo and dropping a bomb on their hanger. But at the same time I want to be able to counteract anything this game throws at me.

I have one goal in this game, and that's to be the best, to do this I need to be the best from every aspect of this game.

So now I have a new motto, and that's "You can drop your bomb, camp, sneak or lag.. It doesn't matter.. Either way.. I'm going to kill you!!"

Wigbomb wrote: WWI pursuit pilots did not fly straight into the teeth of enemy fire because it was 'honorable".

WWI pilots did not fly straight into the teeth of enemy fire.

WWI pilots sought every advantage they could get, from assaulting slower, relatively helpless recon planes to hanging in the sun and dropping like a rock out of the opponent's blind spot to trying to lure enemy planes into killing each other with their own crossfire. They agreed to a man that the optimum circumstance was a clear shot in the back. How "dishonorable" of them.

What WWI pilots never did was play chicken from the digital equivalent of five miles away while they humped a bomb across the map. Over and over. And over. With a plane not designed to carry bombs. Dedicated bombers did not lumber off from their base without fighter escort. Ever. To suggest that they did bespeaks a near complete ignorance of The Great War in the Air.

Despite some recent carping by notorious boo-boo babies, I do not make a habit of "camping" and I certainly don't "camp" against an outnumbered red team unless that outnumbered red team is trying to back-shoot me as I break off for my base, which happens almost every time you try to break off and head back to base. Don't want me "camping"? Stop trying to shoot me as I leave, genius.

If I've succeeded in penetrating to the enemy base or carrier and dropped my bomb i will kill what needs killing until either my fellow bombers have been covered on their incoming runs or I've bought myself the opportunity to safely return to base. Meanwhile, I will continue to make the free choice to carry a bomb, drop a bomb, use a bomb as a badminton birdie or a paperweight or dental floss or slingshot the damn dumb bomb around the dark side of the moon hitting both outnumbered reds on its reentry into the atmosphere.

WWI pilots did not surrender an advantage when the enemy pilots cried, "Not fair!". Shocking, I know.

I've been playing Dogfight for something shy of two years and have been electing to shed my bomb in roughly half my sorties for two, maybe three months. but I have "camped" and will continue to occasionally "camp" when circumstances dictate and when it benefits my team. "Not fair?" Why then, simply shoot me down.

I happen to feel that the undeniable presence of sync-lag with Windows 8 users constitutes a "not fair" advantage and I've done my share of whining about it. So...I adapt my game play accordingly and have been doing so for the aforementioned few months. If I know a Win8 user to be on the red team, I will drop my bomb in order to neutralize his long-range edge. It does nothing against those Win8 users who have blinding turbo-boost in turns, (and they know who they are) nor does it alter the fact that some players have traditionally enjoyed a clear advantage due to their oomphier WiFi connection speed and/or their optimal iPad gadgetry. Again, I adapt. it's what WWI pilots did. If you find my adaptive game play style "disgraceful", by all mean devote that energy you're wasting on childish carping to shooting me down. Many have.

Dogfight strives to be a "WWI air combat simulation". Too many people are too determined to make it a first person arcade shooter. So you can hit a semi-visible dot before it hits you. Congratulations. You must rock at Wolfenstein 3D. Some of us aspire to playing the game Joaquin Grech is working very hard to refine and expand. He didn't design it because he admires a DOOM savant and his ability to shoot a dot in a straight line for hours on end. He didn't call it "Dogfight" because he thinks the term means "pixel jousting". He's a World War I aviation buff with a passion for the history of The Great War in the Air, as am I and as are many of us.

If you find objectionable anything to do with anyone's right to play this game as they choose, particularly if their choice is to play it as close to historical accuracy as the game allows, my recommendation is that you learn to dogfight in Dogfight. But that is, of course, your choice.

--w--

Agree with most of what you say there, but from a historical perspective escorts were rare for bombers in WWI. Artillery recon drew more escorts as they were backed with significantly more combat power (battalions of cannon artillery that could deliver tons of shells) rather than the lightweight punch of a few squadrons of bombers. Many bombing missions were flown at night, which scout aircraft rarely did, and as the bombers were armed with guns they were seen by planners as equipped to defend themselves, especially by the RFC. The German Gothas were often flow in tandem with other bombers, but I can't find much in the records of escorts assigned to accompany them. There are record of pursuit squadrons helping chase away enemy scouts from bombers under attack, but just as often they would leave after the enemy did and continue patrolling. Bomber intercept was ranked as a lower priority than artillery recon intercept, and given the more equal armament (compared to WWII fighters vs WWII two seaters armaments, example a Kangaroo had two Lewis guns, equal to a period scout aircraft but able to fire in many directions) it wasn't a cake walk mission. SE5s often used racks of small light bombs in a trench pounding role, but light payloads didn't produce the game drag of a giant pickle strapped to aircraft that never actually carried such armament. Long range bombing by airship were also unprotected given range limitations of scout aircraft

The other historical point would be that approach fights were rather common between scout aircraft, if each side detected the other, as you would rather not show anything but your guns to the opponents in closing. Read the Great War Pilot thread; several pilots were renowned for closing fights. The difference in gameplay is the unlimited range without bullet drop that, if realistically implemented, would decrease the engagement distance dramatically and leave only the ballistic experts trying to snipe at the ranges today's pilots do.

The other gameplay problem is aircraft performance is near identical or identical, which is preposterous in a historical context.

I would point out ROG is a much more realistic simulator as far as aircraft and their capabilities, but I hardly play it anymore, as I'm hooked on DF. I think if there ever is a squad wars it will sort out whose tactics are superior in simple wins and losses.

Edit: tracer burnout, then about 3-400 meters depending on the gun system, would also negate distance precision work

Hi all with regards to name calling..one thing is true the content people use has a lot more to do with them than the person it's aimed at..I get called occasional names...makes me laugh as bullets talk louder than words...also the taunt doesn't work..it's done from a cowards place far away from the safety of their rock...don't rise laugh...be who you are and don't let anyone else tell u otherwise....

Donm775 wrote:
So now have a new motto, and that's "you can drop your bomb, camp, sneak or lag.. It doesn't matter.. Either way.. I'm going to kill you!!"

squad of 7 wrote: Hi all with regards to name calling..one thing is true the content people use has a lot more to do with them than the person it's aimed at..I get called occasional names...makes me laugh as bullets talk louder than words...also the taunt doesn't work..it's done from a cowards place far away from the safety of their rock...don't rise laugh...be who you are and don't let anyone else tell u otherwise....

At some time or another we all have been call names in this game. I have been called a hacker,a cheater,an as..o.e and a few other choice names . O'well I don't care what they call me as long as they call me for supper . I was in a game the other day and having a good run, shooting down 5 or 6 planes in about as many seconds, when across the screen came the best name I've been called. O you're a M.O.M