WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS THE MOVIES? DO YOU THINK IN REAL WAR THAT YOU WOULD"NT DO ANYTHNIG TO ADVANCE YOUR TEAM AND WIN AGAINST WHOEVER, TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING GAMES ARE NOT FAIR, WAR IS NOT FAIR,YOUR DROPPING WHAAA, YOUR SNEEKING WHAAA, YOUR CAMPPING WHAAA,THE ONLY THING I DONT DO IS SPAWN KILL,OTHERWISE ALLS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR, CRY ME A RIVER, BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT!, TOOK MY LUMPS STARTING OUT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE,GAME HAS NOT CHANGED, JUST MORE COMPLAINERS!

I agree!!

Well put!!! Ever thought about running for President? You have my vote!

Hi scamper, ive been told by a real pilot that flew in the war that no pilots "camped" do to flack guns and fuel issues, they achieved their objective and went home happy to be alive. Not that i care either way, fly as you please. Its a game, not a war.

WELL WHEN ZUP PUTS IN FLAK GUNS AND FUEL GAGES PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT TOO! TIRED OF WHINERS,JUST PLAY THE GAME, THEY CAN SHOOT ME DOWN,YOU ALWAYS DO! LOL

What sticks out to me about this thread . . .

From the content, and since you felt the need to post it in the first place, I’m assuming several people have complained about how you play.

Since you needed to CAP every word (the Internet equivalent of screaming), you are apparently bothered by this.

Since you state “THE ONLY THING I DONT DO IS SPAWN KILL”, I’m taking it that you agree that you do drop, sneak, and camp.

Stating “TOOK MY LUMPS STARTING OUT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE” would suggest that a) it is primarily noobs that are complaining, so it would follow that you are dropping, sneaking, and camping against noobs.

Since you endorse a “DO ANYTHING TO ADVANCE YOUR TEAM AND WIN AGAINST WHOEVER” approach, I’m assuming you would never complain if, for example, an experienced pilot realized you were sneaking and made a point of focusing on you and hunting you down throughout the whole match, or the reds decided that your dropping or camping made you a threat so they assigned their top 1-3 pilots to drop and focus on you for the entire match.

Just to clarify, if you’re on the other side of the ridge using defilade to your advantage on everyone coming out of the base—you’re camping. If you’re “camping” at the base, that’s where the spawn point is . . . it’s pretty difficult to do that without it turning into spawn killing.

As Cush pointed out, it is a game, not war. This style of gameplay used to be heavily frowned on. The game has changed; we’ve opened the Pandora’s Box called Squad Wars.

You are not alone; a lot of folks have taken to farming for the all mighty squad war point, and noobs are the easiest crop to harvest . . . but please don’t get offended when you’re called on it, and don't try to whitewash it with this took my lumps pay your dues like I did BS when the tier 1 noobs are complaining about an experienced pilot farming them in a Tripehound or a Siemens.

MY PC IS STUCK ON CAPS SIGMUND FREUD, WHEN I SEE BULLITS COMMING AT ME I FIRE BACK,HOW IS THAT SPAWN KILLING SPORT? I SHOOT NOOBS AND VETS ALIKE/ PEOPLE CAN FOCUS ON ME, AND HAVE, ALL PART OF THE GAME

Yeah i was in a game against you and had wilbo on my side.you basically rushed to drop and got into a turn fight with wilbo i flew in did a loop or two and flew onto your base to bomb.basically you left you team hanging in the wind.so boom boom there goes 2 hangers and wilbo then shot you down..so tell me hows that winnig at all cost thingy workin for ya.

Winning a game calls for team work. And its funny when the noobs were acting as a team while you did your thing and only managed to get dead.

TOOK TWO OF YA? WAS TRYING TO SHOOT YOU GUYS DOWN SO THE NOOBS MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE TO GET TO YOUR BASE AND BOMB IT TO HELL, GLAD YOU FOCUSED ON ME. IF I WASENT AFTER WILBO WOULD HAVE BEEN 4 HANGERS LOL

What you did was leave the noobs to fend for themselves of witch they did just fine defending thier base .i didnt even bother with you all i did is what anyone thats been here would do.watch you get yourself into a turn fight jump in do a loop so you have no idea whats your actually doing and fly on...so dont think your all that saying it took two of us all it took was wilbo and he waited to shoot you until i bombed.just a refersher for ya i bombed and you went down.the absolutely funny part is wilbo had bombs the whole time if you didnt notice him head over to your base and bomb the last hanger right after he shot you down again....

And s.e. is most likely correct about who is complaining about you camping

And how would it be 4 hanger what were you gonna do land and kick them down?

YOU ARE INTITLED TO YOUR OPINION, IN MY EYES I WAS TRYING TO HELP MY TEAM BEFORE YOU GUYS OVERWELMED THEM ,DIDNT WORK OUT LOL WE CAN DO THIS ALL DAY

Did I hear someone say this is war? Don't declare just plain old war, declare FARGIN WAR!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I GUESS IM JUST A FARGIN SNEEKY BASTAGE, LOL

Gotta say, S. E., you summed it up beautifully. I was laughing the whole way through! Owwwwwwwoooooooohhhhhhhhh, brother!

What I have to say about all of this is that a dropper works as an escourt for all the other team members because he is faster and can turn better, so he shoots down more planes making less planes left in the air for the following bombers. You see even in WWI they had fighter escourts for the bombers so nothing wrong with being an escourt/dropped. Spawn killing is before anyone gets in the air, big difference between spawn killing and camping. Camping also cuts down on how many people are fighting your team in the air so that gives your team more airspace and time. Sneaking is just another route to the target, real bomber planes take long routes where they won't be seen to keep from getting shot down so easy. Nothing wrong with any of this okay.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR,THATS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE

You're welcome.

At what point do you consider this a real war.
Zup made games where you dont have to carry a bomb.so your saying its perfectly fine to drop for speed and maneuverability against planes that are carrying bombs.people play bombing games so they can slug it out against each other.thats why droppers in bombing missions aren't well recived.
Dropping is also accepted when 1 or 2 pilots are facing 5 pilots
As for camping shooting planes when their just getting wheels off the ground is spawn killing.it is also spawn killing when camping th3 noobs.most likely you have the better plane and no bombs.it also keeps new players from paying zup.why pay when all you can do is die because someone is camping over your base.
Now staying over a base is fine if you have a plane close and coming in or your protecting a tank.this has always been accepted
Sneaking is also accepted when the teams are even or close to it.sneaking is not and never will be accepted when its 5 against 2.
All this of course is depending on how you yourself want to be seen as a person in the game.
Just remember its a game not ww1 or ww2 .in both wars pilots had respect for each other no matter what side.during ww1 and ww2 it was common to not shoot a damaged aircraft that was returning home.more so in ww1 .
Now i read a story on fb that someone had posted about a german fighter came up on a heavily damaged bomber and knowing that there were injured inside he escorted the bomber out of enemy territory until allied planes came to bring it home..
Some men just have a higher calling of honor.

WELL YOU CAN TELL ZUP TO MAKE IT ALL FAIR, LETS HAVE THE SAME SPEED WITH BOMBS TOO, AND YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL WHINE TOO, ,WW1 WAS NOT FAIR ,WW2 WAS'NT FAIR ,KOREA WAS'NT FAIR,DESERT STORM WAS'NT FAIR. WHITCH I LOST MY LEGS IN SPORT.,DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT HONOR, NICE LITTLE WAR STORIES YOU GOT THOUGH, WHAT MOVIE DID YOU GET THEM FROM WILL HAVE TO WATCH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

S. E. Dailey wrote: You are not alone; a lot of folks have taken to farming for the all mighty squad war point, and noobs are the easiest crop to harvest . . . but please don’t get offended when you’re called on it, and don't try to whitewash it with this took my lumps pay your dues like I did BS when the tier 1 noobs are complaining about an experienced pilot farming them in a Tripehound or a Siemens.

Hey Dailey,
You must have missed Zup's explanation of how squad wars points are counted. There is absolutely zero benefit to a squad's standing for killing squadless noobs. The Squad KDR points are not affected by it, the squad wars points are not affected by killing non-squad players, the only thing that a squad can benefit from in killing noobs is adding a few points to the vault.

Thanks for the clarification McFate, I stand corrected.

Although farming noobs to swell the squadron coffers doesn't sound much better than farming for SW points. Personally, I think it's just another domino in the overall shift in the community.

SORRY TO ALL THE NAM VETS IT WASN'T FAIR EITHER, DID'NT WANT TO PULL THE DISABLED VET CARD BUT IM STARTING TO GET MILDLY ANNOYED!

ALL RIGHTY THEN.SO MUCH FOR ANY CONVERSATION.DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
HAVE A NICE DAY.

OK BUGS THANKS

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There is a saying here in the island “A cantazo se aprende” translates to buy taking hits u learn. When I first started they were this rules, and all these theories of do this or do not do that because its wrong. But as you play the game you see things, lots of things and u learn. My conclusion: JUST HAVE FUN!


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Sneaking should never be an issue. It aint easy. Hard to believe zup made this big ole map with terrain features and clouds and over 3000 m of altitude and we fly up the middle, low altitude point A to B game after game,cheers all

Sharp Shooter wrote: Sneaking should never be an issue. It aint easy. Hard to believe zup made this big ole map with terrain features and clouds and over 3000 m of altitude and we fly up the middle, low altitude point A to B game after game,cheers all

I think where sneaking becomes an issue, is when you do it with no concern to the situation your teammates are in. If you're in one of those games where you're pretty evenly match or your outmatched, and the reds have chosen to primarily protect their territory (instead of assaulting yours), and it's just not going to move any other way . . . sneaking seems like the logical way to bust up the situation. It will also force the reds to stop camping on their own base and mowing down everyone coming up the middle.

But it's a slippery slope. If your team is putting up a desperate defense of your base, or being hopelessly camped and farmed, and you're just running off to do your own thing . . . are you making a smart tactical move, are you drawing the reds away from your teammates, is your team providing a diversion as part of a well coordinated attack . . . or are you just hanging them out to dry while you take the "I gots mines" approach to score some hangars and a win?

And where is the sneaking line anyway? I like to trade altitude for speed (I know, crazy using a real world tactic). I'm not hiding from anyone; I'm overcoming the disparity between the capabilities of my lower tier plane to top tier planes. How far out to the East or West does sneaking start? If it's one of those straight up the middle going no place games, and the reds are just orbiting the kill zone in front of their base, I can occasionally fly low, slightly East of the middle of the lake without being seen, and hang a left right into their base. I'm not skirting the edge of the map, I'm out in the open, zooming up the middle of the lake . . . but many people accuse me of sneaking, because they didn't see me.

Here is the biggest fact that people avoid on here, normally the people who complain about these things will be the first to tell you not to do them..then later in a game they are doing it to someone else. Its a way of trying to make it easier to control a person so they can shoot you down much easier and control yours and their game play..can't be inconvenienced by a person that's not flying straight up the middle. When they speak of honor and integrity its theirs there referring to.. "Do as I say and not as I do". I quit listening to the honor and integrity and fair game play mumble and believe that if you want to play that way then feel free to play as you want. Be careful though because a dinner you prepare for others may have to be eaten by yourself at some point and that goes both ways. When people on here quit caring whether they win or lose or what there KDR happens to be then they shall actually have true fun in this GAME..

Well said...I don't whine or complain anymore but I will seek you out if you like to sneak in a lopsided game. The others can bomb but I'll guarantee you won't leave the runway..