Food for thought. The new servers keep the noobs free from being abused by the more seasoned guys now. Rank up to big kid servers at level 8 now right? Ok imagine you have been running through the kiddie pool in a hunk of junk plane. No biggy right? Of course every one else is in a hunk of junk plane also. No biggy right? Bam you hit level 8. You are suddenly in a game full of Air Marshals and MORAFs but Ooooooooo No you are still in a hunk of junk and they are flying jets with extra bullets/speed/performance. You die over, and over, and over, and over, and over. You may never get enough coins to get that new, shiny, better plane now. Bummer.

When I started you would have a mixed rank game. May be at the most a couple of high rankers in a game with the rest of mixed low rank. You had a chance. Now not so much.

I would suggest the coin earning system be fixed. If you make it to level 8 and hit the big leagues the coins should be adjusted so you can upgrade to a more evenly matched plane.

I would welcome input from the rest of the forum on this. Yes I know you can buy the coins. I think a reward at level 8 would be good. They have played quite some time at this point. Throw them a bone.

There is only one plane without a three star manueverability, and manueverability isn't upgradable, so they have just as much of a chance in a dogfight

BigC5798 wrote: There is only one plane without a three star manueverability, and manueverability isn't upgradable, so they have just as much of a chance in a dogfight

No the maneuverability is upgradable. On all of the planes except the noob ones. If they have just as much of a chance in a Dogfight then why do we all fly the top planes? Try it for 2 days then get back to me. Take out the fokker Dr. 1 or the camel all day. I'm very good in a dogfight and i go 1 for 1 may be 2 for 1 in a low end plane. I still kill in them but it takes all the skill I have to do it and I'm no noob. You have to buy or earn coins to upgrade all the planes. I just spent part of a day playing on a low ranked account with no upgrades. They have no chance in a dogfight.

Agreed with Max. Give the noobs a chance. Dont pile up on then like hungry vultures. Its in everyone's interest to help keep this game going. We need the newcomers to stay and help sustain the operational costs

It takes 75,000 coins to get in the albatross and level 10 and two stars short on speed one star on armament. These are 7,500 coins each i think. 97,500 coins. Now go play a game or two at our skill level and see how many coins you get. Take that number and divide it by 4 or 5. Take that number and divide it by 97,500. Thats how many games you have to get a beating in to get that albatross. When you are getting killed over and over that seems a unrealistic goal. I could start a new account and do it but a noob is screwed for a long time.

On the British planes manuever maxes put at three stars. Your original plane has three stars.







The German planes are the same way

I know what It maxes at C. Do you not understand my first post?

It is rough to be stuck in noob planes when others aren't. On the other hand it does encourage players to spend some money on the game which helps support dogfight. Those who are bold enough to stick with it and earn their coins will gain some skills in the "school of hard knocks". Some may become discouraged and quit.

I've played some other online games where upgrades are temporary and you have to constantly earn (or purchase) points. It can drive you crazy when you come across a clueless noob who is fully outfitted with the best equipment. It can also discourage you from returning when you know your upgrades have expired. Unfortunately the "buy in players" are often the ones who will relentlessly spawn kill, use the most foul language and have no understanding of team tactics.

In dogfight it seems that most everyone who gets past level 15 is really vested in the game. What if it was made so that you couldn't have full access to the best planes unless you signed in on the forum and found some sort of code in an instructional thread or one about ethics. How about "hiding" one in the user agreement right after the wording about foul or offensive language?

Someone mentioned having the game revenue attached to customizing plane skins. Squad graphics on planes would be awesome. Perhaps zup could sell monthly advertising space on the fronts of some of the buildings. It's not like historical accuracy has been fully maintained in every other way. What if you were able to "buy" an approved building and have it set somewhere on the map? Someone who is a patron of the "jolly Roger" might be willing to pay rent to put the building where Pedrinho has drawn it. No?

Just some food for thought.

BTW, don't forget that you can always support dogfight by buying more coins from time to time (even if you already are a "millionaire")

Blue Max Young wrote: It takes 75,000 coins to get in the albatross and level 10 and two stars short on speed one star on armament. These are 7,500 coins each i think. 97,500 coins. Now go play a game or two at our skill level and see how many coins you get. Take that number and divide it by 4 or 5. Take that number and divide it by 97,500. Thats how many games you have to get a beating in to get that albatross. When you are getting killed over and over that seems a unrealistic goal. I could start a new account and do it but a noob is screwed for a long time.

I actually think its 37,500 for each upgrade. I just couldn't get coins so I had to buy them. It costs too much and you get too little

Last week i started a new acount and reached level ( in four hours play time. Two days after starting it I was a level (13)

Just like with my primary account, I payed $ to upgrade my planes. This is vital if you want to have a chance in a turning fight. I think players should be able to earn higher planes easier, but getting people to pay money for it is part of the business plan, I guess.

It should be noted that manouverability is compounded by speed in this game. Three star manouverability is nothing without the speed. You may be turning the same radius as the ace but he is doing more degrees per second of turn. If I see someone in a Nieport I know they are going to be an easy kill.

Good topic!

My main problem with the lower planes is that it takes forever to get back into the action when you get shot down.

Blue Max Young wrote: It takes 75,000 coins to get in the albatross and level 10 and two stars short on speed one star on armament. These are 7,500 coins each i think. 97,500 coins. Now go play a game or two at our skill level and see how many coins you get. Take that number and divide it by 4 or 5. Take that number and divide it by 97,500. Thats how many games you have to get a beating in to get that albatross. When you are getting killed over and over that seems a unrealistic goal. I could start a new account and do it but a noob is screwed for a long time.

The last time I checked it was 25,000 coins to upgrade so that's about 150,000 for a fully pimped out plane. Also, maneuverability doesn't really matter in this game. It's the speed that's key. But that doesn't even matter too if you don't know what your doing. Every plane has a great potential, but that potential is determined on how well you tame it.

thenightmaresbegi wrote:

Blue Max Young wrote: It takes 75,000 coins to get in the albatross and level 10 and two stars short on speed one star on armament. These are 7,500 coins each i think. 97,500 coins. Now go play a game or two at our skill level and see how many coins you get. Take that number and divide it by 4 or 5. Take that number and divide it by 97,500. Thats how many games you have to get a beating in to get that albatross. When you are getting killed over and over that seems a unrealistic goal. I could start a new account and do it but a noob is screwed for a long time.

The last time I checked it was 25,000 coins to upgrade so that's about 150,000 for a fully pimped out plane. Also, maneuverability doesn't really matter in this game. It's the speed that's key. But that doesn't even matter too if you don't know what your doing. Every plane has a great potential, but that potential is determined on how well you tame it.

Lol

Digby wrote:

Blue Max Young wrote: It takes 75,000 coins to get in the albatross and level 10 and two stars short on speed one star on armament. These are 7,500 coins each i think. 97,500 coins. Now go play a game or two at our skill level and see how many coins you get. Take that number and divide it by 4 or 5. Take that number and divide it by 97,500. Thats how many games you have to get a beating in to get that albatross. When you are getting killed over and over that seems a unrealistic goal. I could start a new account and do it but a noob is screwed for a long time.

I actually think its 37,500 for each upgrade. I just couldn't get coins so I had to buy them. It costs too much and you get too little

I think the first star is 19,000 (two of those) and the second is 37,000

So 75k plus 19 plus 19 plus 37 is about right.

I honestly think the system is fine. It cost 3,000 points to a spad 13 and the red Fokker triplane. You don't have to pay for upgrades on them ether. They got 3 stars in every thing but maneuverability on the red triplane. Having 3 speed is all you need to fight most of the people in the big servers. 3,000 coins can be earned just as fast as 3,000 xp. The new guys should have both the spad and then red triplane by rank 4. The spad and the red triplane are cheap and are just as good as the Nieport 17 and albatross D.III. What they lack from those planes is ammo. What they have that is better is they are a smaller size.

If you have ever been in a turn fight with anyone who is at least decent in a turn fight while they are in the spad or red triplane, you should know there a buger to hit. There smaller size also helps them out in the head on. The triplane may not seem like a small target with its 3 wings but its not very wide. Its tall but not wide. The spad is a bit wide but its got a thin profile. There lack of ammo is not to worry. Its enough to get you to the bomb site or to get you killed. No need to have some guy who comes form the lower ranks and knows what he is doing have a spawn killing run.

The lower ranks should be fine if there smart enough to get those two planes. 420 the the NLR. She was and maybe still is considered one of the best dogfight pilots there is. She would fly the spad. It is her favorite plane. She still kicks a lot of the people who consider them selves super aces in the rear end over and over with that plane.

In many cases of flying, the spad and the red triplane would be the better plane to have in some of the pickles most people get them selfs in. The big league is not that bad in those planes ether. I have found that when the red triplane and the spad are pushed to there max limits in a turn fight they will turn faster then 80% of the people in the big leagues seem to turn there planes even though they got the best plane.

No use flying the best plane if you don't know how to use its full potential in a turn fight. You are better off in a smaller slower plane than the se5a and albatross D.V.A. Better to be in a smaller plane so your a smaller target for the head on and the parachutist.

That is my two cents anyway. The new guys coming up will be fine. They have two of the best planes for the cost of coins we make in one game. They just got to learn how to use the things. And with all these pilots out hear who are beyond good they should learn very quickly from there mistakes.

All upgrades are half of what the plane itself costs. And sorry blue, I thought you were saying that manueverability is upgradable.