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DogFight ELITE Planes, Tanks, People & History 10 years 11 months ago #89323

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I'm completly at loss for words for that Franz and Charlie story.. :ohmy:
And that Bomber survived a good shooting :ohmy: they were very lucky they didn't go kaboom. I can only imagine how they all felt, look at tha guy gets him self a bottle after landing if it were me I'd sleep at the Jolly Rogers the whole week


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What gets me playing here is that the people "screaming" for a realistic game are the same ones that shoot long distance and mostly head-on. That shows who has a better device. Not the better pilot.

Yes, QUEENPOO, many lied about their age so they could fight.
Now days they lie to buy baggy, saggy pants...
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Hi mauruli, When I said chitty chitty bang bang I did not mean the plane was a chitty chitty bang bang, what i meant was in one of the videos the sir paul put on, there was the actual car ( well I think it is!!!! ) from the film chitty chitty bang bang :cheer:

I mean no disrespect by that at all. :)

And paul I will watch the other films when lil mans sleeping and not I don't mean roo :)
Can't belive those poor kids , they did not know what they where getting there self into. Love them!
And yes now days they lie about buying fags and alcohol let alone into war! :(
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BEFORE ANYONE GETS UPSET! BY FAGS SHE MEANS CIGARETTES! IT'S BRITISH.

Yes, the "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" (flying) car was there.

Some do.
I should have not generalized.
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Obnoxious smiley face Paul. Lmao!!!!!! That my friend was funny.
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Ha ha ha lol :lol: How funny, forgot to others fag, don't mean the same thing... And not it did not mean we go around buying gay men :lol:

chitty Chitty bang bang was one of my child hood films reminds me of watching it as a child at my nans :cheer:
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NEW SECRET PLANE RELEASED!
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Ssshhhh....don't tell them.
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:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: ;) :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :) :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

DOES IT SHOW I AM SMILING.

Thank you Sir paul Mantz,
Your secret is safe with me! Thank you for sharing it with me too, shows you trust me lol.

You know what I am going to be hunting out of the cupard tomorrow for me and little man to watch :)
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Hello Mrs Roo,
I think there is some miss understanding, I never knew the is a film by that name and when I quoted you I didn't mean any offense by it. I was just happy to have comeby just another word that meant "shooting" , as ridiculous as it may sound, but thats what I thought you meant by chitty chitty bang bang (shooting or sound of a machine gun and bullets).
I do appologise for that missunderstand madam and I hope you were not offended.

So I rephrase my statement to: "the bomber survived some serious 'shooting' ...

PS: its easier to call me Mas :) Thank you!

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Hello Mas :)

I am not offended. Thankyou for letting me understand what you ment. Its all cleared up thank you muchly And no worries, but I do quite like that you though my words for shooting a gun was called
Chitty chitty bang bang that brilliant :cheer: I think that's going to be my new very usefully word. :silly:
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New DF ELITE Secret Plane Announced!
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Now fly backseat in 2 place trainer.
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Thanks Paul, you are a great pilot I enjoyed the flight. The bird is a performer and the radios were interesting :)


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Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: New DF ELITE Secret Plane Announced!
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Now fly backseat in 2 place trainer.


I got to ride in a T-6 Texan once and the view from the rear seat looked like that.

It looked a lot like this one.
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Wow what a great view ;) i wana be in a 2 seated plane ;) the clouds look so fluffy bit like candy hmmmmm lol.

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This is an introduction to five of the best Aces of the Great War. That is, World War I Aces with the most victories, chosen from Great Britain, France, Germany, Belgium and USA. To become an Ace, 5 combat victories were required. The men featured here shot down twenty planes or more. World War 1 Aces were arguably the bravest and boldest of all fighter pilots as their planes were so rudimentary. I've tried to keep it quick and factual but they deserve to be continually recognised. Pauls videos serve as ideal further reading!



Rickenfacker in his Nieuport 28
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Edward Corringham "Mick" Mannock
Country: England
Rank: Major
Service: Royal Flying Corps
Royal Air Force Units: 40, 74, 85
Planes: Nieuport Scout, SE5a
Victories: 61
Date Of Birth: 24 May 1887
Place of Birth: Aldershot
Date Of Death: 26 July 1918
Place of Death: Near Lestrem

When the war began, Mannock was interned in Turkey while working as an inspector for a British telephone company. After an unsuccessful escape attempt, he became deathly ill and was repatriated by the Turks in 1915. When he recovered, he joined the Royal Army Medical Corps before transferring to the Royal Engineers. Despite a congenital defect that left him virtually blind in his left eye, Mannock was accepted by the Royal Flying Corps in 1917, training under the scrutiny of James McCudden.

In April, he was assigned to 40 Squadron where he got off to a slow start with his peers and his Nieuport scout. To the other flying officers, he seemed aloof and perhaps overly cautious in the air. It was not until a month later that he scored his first victory by flaming an enemy balloon.




Example of a Nieuport Scout



Eventually, Mannock earned the respect and friendship of men like Keith Caldwell.

In February of 1918, he was reassigned to 74 Squadron as a flight commander, scoring thirty six victories with an S.E.5a before replacing William Bishop as the commanding officer of 85 Squadron on July 3, 1918. Mannock never achieved the public notoriety of Albert Ball, but he was revered by his men and proved to be one of the greatest flight leaders of the war. Often physically ill before going on patrol, Mannock routinely shared victories with other pilots or didn't bother submitting claims for enemy aircraft he'd shot down in combat. After selflessly sharing his 61st victory with Donald Inglis, a newcomer from New Zealand who had yet to score,
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Manfred Freiherr von Richthofen
Country: Germany
Rank: Rittmeister (Ride or Cavalry Master)
Units: FFA 69, Jasta 2, 11, JG 1 KG 2
Planes: Albatross D.III, Fokker DR.I.
Victories: 80
Date Of Birth: May 2, 1892
Place of Birth: Breslau
Date Of Death: April 21, 1918
Place of Death: Morlancourt Ridge
Buried: Wiesbaden, Germany






The most famous ace of the war, Manfred von Richthofen briefly served in the trenches before transferring to the German Air Service in 1916. Oswald Boelcke's star pupil was a fast learner and achieved immediate success. A month after receiving his first Albatros, Richthofen had six victories against Allied aircraft. As his reputation grew, the "Red Knight of Germany" painted the fuselage of his Albatros D.III bright red to flaunt his prowess in the air. The British called him the jolly "Red Baron," to the French he was the "Red Devil." He was shot down as he flew his Fokker DR.I over the trenches in pursuit of Wilfrid May on April 21, 1918.





Although Arthur Brown was officially credited with the victory, evidence suggests Richthofen was hit by a single bullet fired from a machine gun in the trenches. A British pilot flew over the German aerodrome at Cappy and dropped a note informing the Germans of the Baron's death. Buried in France with full military honors, Richthofen's body was later exhumed and reburied in the family cemetery at Wiesbaden.


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René Paul Fonck
Country: France
Rank: Capitaine
Service: French Air Service
Units: C47; Spa103
Planes: SPAD S.VII
Victories: 75
Date Of Birth: March 27, 1894
Place of Birth: Saulcy-sur-Meurthe
Date Of Death: June 1953
Place of Death: Paris

Fonck was the highest scoring ace for France and the Allies. As a boy growing up in the foothills of the Vosges, he was fascinated by stories of men and their flying machines. Yet when he was conscripted in August of 1914, he refused to serve in the French Air Service, choosing instead to go to the trenches. By early 1915, he had changed his mind and began his flight training in a Penguin at Saint-Cyr. Displaying an inherent talent for flying, he was soon serving with Escadrille C47, flying an unarmed Caudron on reconnaissance missions over the lines.

In April of 1917, after more than 500 hours of flight time, Fonck was assigned to Spa103. Flying the SPAD S.VII, he developed a reputation for studying the tactics of his opponents and conserving ammunition during a dogfight. On two separate occasions, he shot down six enemy aircraft in one day.





As his fame grew, so did his ego and Fonck never achieved the admiration and popularity of Georges Guynemer. Even French ace Claude Haegelen, one of Fonck's few friends, felt he boasted too much and too often; but no one could deny that Fonck was an excellent pilot and superb marksman.

Médaille Militaire
"A pilot of remarkable bravery, skill and spirit, having already engaged in a great number of aerial combats. On August 6, 1916, he resolutely attacked two strongly armed enemy planes, took on one in pursuit, and by a series of bold and skilful maneuvers, forced it to land uninjured within our lines. He has been cited in orders twice." Médaille Militaire citation, 1916.

Légion d'Honneur
"A fighting pilot of great value, combining outstanding bravery and exceptional qualities of skill and sang-froid. He came to pursuit aviation after 500 hours of flight on army corps aircraft and became, in a short time, one of the best French combat pilots. On August 19, 20 and 21, 1917, he shot down his 8th, 9th and 10th enemy aircraft. He has already been cited seven times in orders, and has received the Médaille Militaire for feats of war." Legion d'Honneur citation, 1917.

Officier de la Légion d'Honneur
"Remarkable officer from every point of view; of admirable fighting ardor. Pilot of the highest order, for reconnaissance missions and artillery range intelligence, as well as for surveillance service that he completed many times despite very unfavorable atmospheric conditions. He demonstrated, during the course of an uninterrupted series of aerial combats, an exceptional strength and will to win, which sets an example for the French chasse pilots of today. Has shot down thirty six enemy planes. Seventeen citations, Médaille Militaire and Chevalier de la Legion d'Honneur for feats of war." Officier de la Legion d'Honneur citation, May 12, 1918.
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Willy Coppens
Willy Omer François Jean Coppens de Houthulst
Country: Belgium
Rank: Major
Service: Belgian Air Service
Escadrilles: 1ère, 4me, 6me, 9me
Planes: Hanriot HD.1
Victories: 37
Date Of Birth: July 6, 1892
Place of Birth: Watermaal-Bosvoorde
Date Of Death: December 21, 1986

Coppens joined the army in 1912, serving with the 2nd Grenadiers before transferring to the Compagnie des Aviateurs in 1914. At his own expense, he and thirty nine other Belgians enrolled in a civilian flying school at Hendon, England. After additional training in France, Coppens began flying two-seaters in combat during 1916.

The following year, he was assigned to single-seat fighters and soon became an expert at shooting down enemy observation balloons. After downing a balloon, Coppens would often perform aerial acrobatic displays above the enemy. On one occasion, the balloon he was attacking shot upward and Coppens actually landed his Hanriot HD.1 on top of it. Switching off his engine to protect the propeller, he waited until his aircraft slid off the top of the balloon, then restarted the engine and watched as the German balloon burst into flames and sank to the ground.





On the morning of October 14, 1918, his days as a fighting pilot came to an end near Thourout in northwestern Belgium. Just as he began the attack that would culminate in his 37th victory, Coppens was hit in the left leg by an incendiary bullet. Despite a severed artery and intense pain, he shot down his target and managed to crash land within the safety of his own lines. His badly shattered leg had to be amputated. Before he retired from the army in 1940, Coppens served as a military attaché in France, Great Britain, Italy and Switzerland.
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"Eddie" Rickenbacker
Edward "Eddie" Vernon Rickenbacker
Country: United States
Rank: Captain
Services: United States Air Service
Units: 94th Aero
Planes: Nieuport 28, Spad S.XII
Victories: 26
Date Of Birth: October 8, 1890
Place of Birth: Columbus, Ohio
Date Of Death: July 27, 1973
Place of Death: Zurich, Switzerland
Buried: Greenlawn Cemetery, Columbus, Ohio

Rickenbacker was known as 'Fast Eddie' before America joined the war, setting record times racing cars in the Indianapolis 500's. He offered to form a fighter squadron of racing drivers but was refused. Early on he saw frequent encounters with the 'Flying Circus' of the Red Baron. He became the American "Ace of Aces". He recorded 26 official victories against German aircraft during World War I and was awarded the Medal of Honour.

Between WWI and WWII, Rickenbacker bought and administered the Indianapolis Speedway and became president of Eastern Airlines. In October of 1942, he was aboard a B-17 bomber that crashed in the Pacific Ocean while on a secret mission to New Guinea. "Iron Man Eddie" and six companions survived 24 days afloat on life rafts.


A SPAD XIII 'Show Bird' design of the 94th Aero Sqn USAS

In 1995, the United States Postal Service issued a postage stamp in honour of Rickenbacker's accomplishments as an aviation pioneer.

Distinguished Service Cross (DSC)
"For extraordinary heroism in action near Montsec, France, April 29, 1918. Lt. Rickenbacker attacked an enemy Albatros monoplane and after a vigorous fight, in which he followed his foe into German territory, he succeeded in shooting it down near Vigneulles-les-Hatten-Chatel." DSC citation.

Medal of Honour
"Edward V. Rickenbacker, Colonel, specialist reserve, then first lieutenant, 94th Aero Squadron, Air Service,
American Expeditionary Forces. For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy near Billy, France, 25 September 1918.
While on a voluntary patrol over the lines Lieutenant. Rickenbacker attacked seven enemy planes (five type Fokker protecting two type Halberstadt photographic planes). Disregarding the odds against him he dived on them and shot down one of the Fokkers out of control. He then attacked one of the Halberstadts and sent it down also..." Medal of Honour citation, awarded November 6, 1930.



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Chocks Away wrote: Although Arthur Brown was officially credited with the victory, evidence suggests Richthofen was hit by a single bullet fired from a machine gun in the trenches. A British pilot flew over the German aerodrome at Cappy and dropped a note informing the Germans of the Baron's death. Buried in France with full military honors, Richthofen's body was later exhumed and reburied in the family cemetery at Wiesbaden.


Good series of posts, thanks.

It was Captain Roy Brown btw, not Arthur Brown (Arthur Whitten Brown was navigator on the first successful non-stop flight across the Atlantic).

There's a lot of conflicting evidence around von Richthofen's death. Although the balance of opinion now seems to err on the side of it being an Australian machine gunner that fired the fatal bullet, no-one can prove for sure which gunner, or even that it was not Brown. Unfortunately, an inadequate post-mortem and the fact that all the fabric was stripped off MvR's triplane for souvenirs before it could be examined mean we'll never know for sure how it all happened.
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The name Cundall clicked a synapse in my brain.
In 2012 a possible discovery was made.

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Chocks Away wrote: Although Arthur Brown was officially credited with the victory, evidence suggests Richthofen was hit by a single bullet fired from a machine gun in the trenches. A British pilot flew over the German aerodrome at Cappy and dropped a note informing the Germans of the Baron's death. Buried in France with full military honors, Richthofen's body was later exhumed and reburied in the family cemetery at Wiesbaden.


Good series of posts, thanks.

It was Captain Roy Brown btw, not Arthur Brown (Arthur Whitten Brown was navigator on the first successful non-stop flight across the Atlantic).

There's a lot of conflicting evidence around von Richthofen's death. Although the balance of opinion now seems to err on the side of it being an Australian machine gunner that fired the fatal bullet, no-one can prove for sure which gunner, or even that it was not Brown. Unfortunately, an inadequate post-mortem and the fact that all the fabric was stripped off MvR's triplane for souvenirs before it could be examined mean we'll never know for sure how it all happened.[/.

Thanks, I took it from this Arthur...





Arthur Roy Brown
Country: Canada
Rank: Captain
Service: Royal Naval Air Service
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4 Naval, 9 Naval, 11 Naval (RNAS) 209 (RAF)
Victories: 10
Date Of Birth: December 23, 1893
Place of Birth: Carleton Place, Ontario
Date Of Death: March 9, 1944
Place of Death: Stouffville, Ontario


Intelligent but shy, Roy Brown loved to fly. After entering the Royal Naval Air Service in 1915, he was almost killed when he crashed an Avro 504 during a training flight on May 2, 1916. He recovered and was assigned to 9 Naval Squadron on the Western Front in April of 1917. Reassigned to 11 Naval Squadron, he scored his first victory on July 17, 1917, shooting down an Albatros D.III while flying a Sopwith Pup. In the fall, he rejoined 9 Naval Squadron to fly Sopwith Camels, becoming a flight commander in February of 1918. In what would become the most famous aerial combat of the war, Brown's flight encountered Jasta 11 on the morning of April 21, 1918. In the battle that followed, Brown scored his final victory of the war. Engaging a red Fokker DR.I he was officially credited with shooting down Manfred von Richthofen. For this action, Brown received a bar to his Distinguished Service Cross. In 1919, Brown left the Royal Air Force and returned to Canada where he worked as an accountant, founded a small airline and became an editor for "Canadian Aviation" magazine. During World War II, Brown entered politics after his application to join the Royal Canadian Air Force was rejected. The year before he died, he ran for Parliament but lost the election.

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"At 10:35 a.m. I observed two Albatrosses burst into flames and crash. Dived on a large formation of fifteen to twenty Albatross scouts, D.5's, and Fokker triplanes, two of which got on my tail, and I cameout. Went back again and dived on pure red triplane which was firing on Lieutenant Wilfrid May. I got a long burst into him, and he went down vertically and was observed to crash by Lieutenant Francis Mellersh and Lieutenant May. I fired on two more but did not get them." Brown's combat report, April 21, 1918

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"If he had been my dearest friend, I could not have felt greater sorrow." Roy Brown, on viewing the body of Manfred von Richthofen

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"For the excellent work he has done on active service. On September 3, 1917, he attacked a two-seater Aviatik, in company with his flight. The enemy machine was seen to dive down vertically, the enemy observer falling over on the side of the fuselage, shot. On September 5, 1917, in company with his formation, he attacked an Albatros scout and two-seater, driving them away from our lines. One machine was observed to go down apparently out of control. On September 15, 1917, whilst on patrol, he dived on two Aviatiks and three Albatros scouts, followed by his flight. He dived several times and picked out one enemy scout, firing about 200 rounds, when the enemy machine went down out of control, spinning on its back. On September 20, 1917, whilst leading his flight, he dived on five Albatros scouts. Flight Lieutenant Brown picked out one enemy machine and opened fire. One of his guns jammed, but he carried on with the other. The enemy machine went down out of control and over on its back and remained in that position for about twenty seconds, whilst Flight Lieutenant Brown continued firing until his other gun jammed. The enemy machine then disappeared in the clouds, still on its back. Another officer of the same patrol was later followed by four enemy machines, as he was separated from the formation. Both Flight Lieutenant Brown's guns were jammed, but he dived on the enemy machines and drove them off, thus undoubtably saving the pilot's life." DSC citation, London Gazette, November 2, 1917

Distinguished Service Cross (DSC)
"For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. On April 21, 1918, while leading a patrol of six scouts he attacked a formation of twenty hostile scouts. He personally engaged two Fokker triplanes, which he drove off; then, seeing that one of our machines was being attacked and apparently hard pressed, he dived on the hostile scout, firing the while. This scout, a Fokker triplane, nose dived and crashed to the ground. Since the award of the Distinguished Service Cross, he has destroyed several other enemy aircraft and has shown great dash and enterprise in attacking enemy troops from low altitudes despite heavy anti-aircraft fire." DSC Bar citation, London Gazette Supplement, June 21, 1918

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My apologies, I didn't know his first name was actually Arthur. I understand his given name was Roy.

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Coincidence, I'm afraid - I took my forum/in game name from the main character in the WW1 novel 'Winged Victory'. Anyone who wants to get a good idea of what it was like to be a pilot on the Western Front could do worse than to read this. The author, V.M. Yeates was a Camel pilot and he wrote the book within a few years of the war.
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The most successful Ace of WW2: Major Erich Hartman
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Will the sopwith triplane or pfalz diii be added to dogfight
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just got the "update" about the last secret plane....mum's the word though....so dont tell anyone...lol. but it appears it is the Bristol M1c.

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In 1916, Frank Barnwell, chief designer of Bristol Aeroplane Company, realising that the performance of existing fighter aircraft was inadequate, designed a new single-seat tractor monoplane fighter as a private venture, the Bristol M.1.[1][2]

The first prototype, the M.1A made its maiden flight on 14 July 1916.[3] It was of conventional wood and fabric construction, with a carefully streamlined circular cross-section fuselage. The wing was shoulder mounted and was braced with flying wires running from the wing to the lower fuselage and landing wires from the wings to a cabane made of two semi-circular steel tube hoops positioned over the pilot's cockpit. A 110 horsepower (82 kW) Clerget rotary engine drove a two-bladed propeller fitted with a large hemispherical spinner to reduce drag.[4][5] It was purchased by the War Office for evaluation, and demonstrated impressive performance during official testing, reaching a speed of 128 miles per hour (206 km/h) and climbing to 10,000 feet (3,000 m) in 8 minutes 30 seconds, although the forward and downward view was criticised by test pilots.[2][3]

The War Office ordered four modified aircraft, designated M.1B, in October 1916. These differed from the first prototype in having a more conventional cabane consisting of a pyramid of four straight steel struts, a large clear-view cut-out panel in the starboard wing root to give improved view for landing and a single .303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers machine gun mounted on the port wing root.[3][6]

Despite excellent performance - it had a maximum speed some 30-50 mph (50–80 km/h) higher than any of the contemporary German Fokker Eindecker and French Morane-Saulnier N monoplanes - it was rejected by the Air Ministry for service on the Western Front, ostensibly because its landing speed of 49 mph was considered too high for small French airfields,[7] but more likely because of a widespread belief that monoplane aircraft were inherently unsafe in combat. The RFC had imposed a ban on monoplanes after the crash of one of the Bristol-Coanda Monoplanes on 10 September 1912, and despite the subsequent 1913 Monoplane Committee clearing the design type there persisted a deep-rooted suspicion of monoplanes. This suspicion may also have been re-inforced by the RFC's underwhelming experience with the Morane-Saulnier N, which was also criticised for its high landing speed.

Nevertheless, a production order for 125 aircraft was placed on 3 August 1917. Designated M.1C, this version was fitted with a Le Rhône rotary engine and had a Vickers machine gun centrally-mounted in front of the pilot.

A single M.1, registered G-EAVP was rebuilt as a high-speed testbed for the Bristol Lucifer three cylinder radial engine. This aircraft was designated the M.1D.

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