Hey Whip? Please remember that English isn't his primary language, and that google translate quite often gets meaning as well as syntax messed up in a translation going in both directions okay?

He is saying (I believe) that just because luck or chance or the gods of dogfight put you in a lopsided game that it is not your responsibility to help the enemy by putting yourself into their gunsights.. rather to use whatever means you can to help your team win the mission.

I personally don't sneak or camp in major lopsided missions (i.e. 6 vs 2, or any # vs 1) but in a 5 vs 3 game I personally believe that both sides have enough players to both attack as well as defend their base.. primarily without just going down thru the 'Valley of Death' shooting head on at each other.. and especially with those defending dropping I don't feel the need to throw this poor zebra directly into the lions mouth.. it's not good for our survival as a species! Instead if I see them dropping then I think it's perfectly acceptable for me to drop and attempt to clear a path for my teams bombers as opposed to just being a flying target for those planes unencumbered by bombs.

This is just my viewpoint on this.. it's not an attack on those players that think it's 'not right' to do that... just that there are varying viewpoints on this subject and everyone is entitled to their opinion on it.

Well youre right Zebra, In head to head between you and me, you are throwing yourself into my great jaws and I can burn you right up. but, if you drop and start spinning and flipping you can stab me with that great Zebra Horn of yours and pierce me through and disable my wings.

F.T.

P.S. this isn't true:) Or, actually it is. uh sorta anyways;)

{£}ZebraUp wrote: Hey Whip? Please remember that English isn't his primary language, and that google translate quite often gets meaning as well as syntax messed up in a translation going in both directions okay?

He is saying (I believe) that just because luck or chance or the gods of dogfight put you in a lopsided game that it is not your responsibility to help the enemy by putting yourself into their gunsights.. rather to use whatever means you can to help your team win the mission.

I personally don't sneak or camp in major lopsided missions (i.e. 6 vs 2, or any # vs 1) but in a 5 vs 3 game I personally believe that both sides have enough players to both attack as well as defend their base.. primarily without just going down thru the 'Valley of Death' shooting head on at each other.. and especially with those defending dropping I don't feel the need to throw this poor zebra directly into the lions mouth.. it's not good for our survival as a species! Instead if I see them dropping then I think it's perfectly acceptable for me to drop and attempt to clear a path for my teams bombers as opposed to just being a flying target for those planes unencumbered by bombs.

This is just my viewpoint on this.. it's not an attack on those players that think it's 'not right' to do that... just that there are varying viewpoints on this subject and everyone is entitled to their opinion on it.

Well google translate or not reading his statements he certainly doesn't care about slinging stones. You guys aren't listening since I partially agree with you...I don't think everyone has to fly down the middle just in radar range. I don't even care if you drop, I only care if you go way out of the way around in an outnumbered game is that so hard to understand? That's what I have always said. I don't expect them to be in line just within 3 km is that so unfair to ask?

Lmao.

Whiplash wrote:

Ziza wrote: READ AGAIN WHIP, and there is nothing more cowardly than to accuse someone of cowardice whit simple and fragile arguments

from teh last post


"PD: If for some reason the difference in numbers between the two teams is very large, uses INTELLIGENCE, DROOP YOUR BOMB AND DEFENDING YOUR BASE, THAT EASY. ALSO IMPORTANT IS CLEAR THAT THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS IS NOT SOMETHING STATIC OF ,A TIME TO ANOTHER DOUBLES THE AMOUNT OF ENEMIES. A TACTICAL IS A TACTIC, NOT A CONSIDERATION TO THE ENEMY. A TACTIC IS TO WIN WITH LOWER AMOUNT OF FALLEN FRIENDS.

And if what you want is that all enemies are visible to you can defend yourself, you are literally asking the opposing team that will not win you "please do not win, I want to see everyone, not hide" "


also you want me to stay still so you can shoot me?

I can't believe you still don't understand my point. I will state it clearly as possible and maybe this might provide some insight but I doubt it.

In even teams do anything you want, drop, sneak, dance, warp, whatever, I only care what players do when teams are uneven. I care about the community and fair play, you care about winning only. When the server has done a poor job with the teams I try and minimize the impact to give a good game for everyone. I swap if on the larger team and if I am on short handed team I expect enemy players to stay in radar range (I think that's 1.5 km so that means 3 km wide, 1.5 km high). I feel that within radar range is enough room to move around but gives the under-filled defending team a chance to defend. Going outside that area is cowardly. It's cowardly because you are purposely going way out of the typical corridor to avoid any detection to avoid any fire fight at all when you have 2 - 6 extra planes. You should be able to fight your way in and bomb your enemies hangars with that kind of space and advantage and if you can't, get better since you don't deserve to win.

I love the "I know you are but what am I!" argument and the rest of what you say has about the same intellectual magnitude. If you haven't noticed we aren't really enemies, we all play this game together and I'd rather lose with friends then win alone.

Well whip , I do not think you have an argument. Zebra up mentions that there are different points of view , and so far I totally agree , but you're not giving any argument really answer what I 'm saying , because there are already several points I mention you in response to what you say but you just repeat the same " fair game "

But zebraup forget something very important, and the fact that you're slandering . You call me a coward no basis more than that which you yourself are creating .
Under your view, then we could call cowardly pilots airplane which is stealth ? We could call cowards special forces infiltrating enemy territory undetected ?
I hope you never rely on a game where we are few blues and many reds , because it gives me very sad to see that you going to ask hem to show or to become able to see where to shoot them down . Calling someone a coward is a very serious accusation , especially when you accuse me only because I did not fulfilled your tantrum
To call someone a coward , you must first be a brave person, to be brave first need to know without using excuses to lose , but above all, you must be brave to be able to fight under the worst situations and obviously not ask advantage or aiding to any enemy .
I do not know if my English is not enough , but all things I told you but no answer rather than the same , I mentioned that this game is not for people looking for a fair game. In this game you can be a pilot flying a airco and must face off against one that has a albatros5 plane.
And be stressing one more thing, your argument is very fragile , but I respect it. But call me a coward is something that would remind you if you know in person, but fortunately for you it is not. So enjoy the game, but when you and I are blue , I will do everything in my power to defend yourself, because despite my maturity allows me to do all this aside and play well , but if you are red , rest assured that I will not give you any advantage , even if you asked.


I repeat again, the problem is not your argument, its your defamation and accusation

Ya llegeeee

moondog30 wrote: Ya llegeeee

El típico ebrio que tumba la puerta, " ya llegueeeee"

Fine ziza you go and do whatever you want you can justify your actions all you want go drop your bomb so you can kill guys with bombs if that makes you feel better as for me I can hold my head up high and say that I fought a good fight even if I lose at least I have the respect of the pilots I face

darraxx wrote: Fine ziza you go and do whatever you want you can justify your actions all you want go drop your bomb so you can kill guys with bombs if that makes you feel better as for me I can hold my head up high and say that I fought a good fight even if I lose at least I have the respect of the pilots I face

That perhaps you have not read anything that I don? Have trouble understanding my English ? I'm making an observation as to the style of the game stuck and many conservative thought .
I did not read where I say I'm going to ask someone to drop the bomb to protect myself?
Did not read where I said I try not to play those games ?
Did not read where I said that if both sides have an escort should no longer have an excuse to say that only seeks to numbers?
For God's sake , have you seen my stats? You think i need to do numbers?My takedowns are from games where usually not due to load bombs , so you try not to be a coward accusing me of something I have not done or the type of cowardice that accuses prejudiced and ill-founded arguments.
And I stress one last thing, which seems to also do not understand, THE GAME IS A GAME OF TEAMS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ONLY ONE PLANE RELEASE THE BOMB, YOU KNOW YOU NOT READ? OR SIMPLY YOU STAY WITHOUT ARGUMENT AND LOOKING accuse me of something I HAVE NOT DONE?
will not be possible to understand that what I am saying if you have not read the full article, it's amazing to think that my intention is to do numbers, I know that with or without pump can pump down planes without face-to-shoot face, but it's incredible that I use as a tactic of circles, even with the pump on, the enemies get angry because I would not let me shoot, I thought that is a retrograde. And I repeat it, me, with or without bomb i can shoot down many planes, but ultimately, as apparently you don’t have not read the original text, not you understand my point is to exploit to the maximum the possibilities of the game tactics
and like I say, I don’t need make numbers man


PD oh, by the way, it is curious that whip him like your comment, because when that happened that I bombardié hangars using the tactic of sneaking, he chased me almost reached my base for shooting me, allowing the rest of the pilots penetrated their territory, only to try to break me, even taking into account that I was going from his territory

Ok, You've talked me in to it, after all why carry that damn bomb in a bombing game if you don't have to. You can always just tank up and lob shells in from a mile away.... And in the meantime rack some kills while your at it. The ONLY way your going to stop droppers and even then some will still drop, is to do away with the tanks... So if you DONT carry a bomb the games never gonna end... Or put a fuel time limit on your plane after you drop giving you enough time to get back to your base to reload before you crash. Like landing on the carrier in a CTC game after you drop you have 2 minutes to reload. But will this be added to the game to stop the bitching? Probably not....

=£= Ziza wrote: PD oh, by the way, it is curious that whip him like your comment, because when that happened that I bombardié hangars using the tactic of sneaking, he chased me almost reached my base for shooting me, allowing the rest of the pilots penetrated their territory, only to try to break me, even taking into account that I was going from his territory

Wow...almost back to your base...you never made it past midfield...but it's about as accurate as the rest of what you say. I'm done with this...we know your position and ours lets just leave it at that.

Straight up
this entire thread is a load of crap!
probably just someone who got boody hurt because someone found a way to shoot u down.
im so sick of hearing babys whine when their ego gets crushed.
if u can handle getting ur ass beat might I sujest u play candy crush.
everyone has their own fighting styles and im gonna tell yall now, if someone wants to loop or dodge my bullets so they can get behind me, ur better believe im gonna drop and chase ur ass. If u wanna chase lets chase but shut up and stop whining when I shoot u down when u had 2kms to get me head on.
U dont hear us complaining about zizas or zebras over obsessive looping so give us a break if were gonna fight the best way we can to match up to their particular "styles".
Anyways I just felt the need to get that out seeing how ziza is 4k kills and 300 deaths and zebraup isnt far behind.
Seriously guys GROW A PAIR

The guys with the best KDRs in the game typically play for that stat.

I like to carry most times, drop to challenge droppers, and slug it out in the middle, but everyone does there own thing. Funny how some are hated for being droppers, but others not so much. I don't see him around much anymore (which sucks because now I have a fully upgraded pair of high performance death machines to match his) but SB used to drop and is venerated for posting the rules of air combat.

Not once in a game have I ever heard even a basic amount of planning concerning having two drop and cover and two fly behind and bomb. It sounds like a great idea, especially f you have a good high/low mix. Team chat would sure help.

Longrifle wrote: The guys with the best KDRs in the game typically play for that stat.

I like to carry most times, drop to challenge droppers, and slug it out in the middle, but everyone does there own thing. Funny how some are hated for being droppers, but others not so much. I don't see him around much anymore (which sucks because now I have a fully upgraded pair of high performance death machines to match his) but SB used to drop and is venerated for posting the rules of air combat.

Not once in a game have I ever heard even a basic amount of planning concerning having two drop and cover and two fly behind and bomb. It sounds like a great idea, especially f you have a good high/low mix. Team chat would sure help.

I agree with you Longrifle that Team Chat would be AWESOME!
However, I partially disagree with your very first sentence.. I don't play primarily for a high k/d ratio.. and neither does Ziza as far as I am aware... although I KNOW there are some players that do only care about their k/d. You'll often times see them leave a mission after getting killed a time or 2 by superior pilots.. However I play for the fun and competition that this game provides and our k/d is just a byproduct of that.. (*note:except for the couple of week period when myself & Cricket had a bet on the race to see which of us would hit 3:1 k/d first! Then I was TOTALLY all about k/d lol! )
I always carry unless on major defense or there are droppers on the opposing team... they drop, I drop.

Some teams DO have strategies for missions when they fly together.. I tend to notice things from time to time that show pre-planned strategies & tactical flying, but only when you have a few of the same squadron members flying together obviously. I hope to see more of it! This down thru the valley of death corridor thing got old quick.. especially due to the fact that I can't aim precisely with arrow keys in head to head shooting so I seldom even enter bomb the hangar missions unless I see my squadron members in one. But I am entering a lot more bomb the carrier missions now! But my favorites are dogfight missions (obviously) followed by capture the carrier & zep missions.

Whatever happened to surgant fuarx or whatever his name was.....that guys was the worst of the worst lol

[DD]Whiplash wrote:

=£= Ziza wrote: PD oh, by the way, it is curious that whip him like your comment, because when that happened that I bombardié hangars using the tactic of sneaking, he chased me almost reached my base for shooting me, allowing the rest of the pilots penetrated their territory, only to try to break me, even taking into account that I was going from his territory

Wow...almost back to your base...you never made it past midfield...but it's about as accurate as the rest of what you say. I'm done with this...we know your position and ours lets just leave it at that.

good whip, as I mentioned, this is not a matter of point of view, is that you have a concept of cowardice far from its true meaning and especially its practical application. Apparently you confuse cowardice with intelligent acts and courage acts which have advantage over your enemies.

I repeat again, I have an argument, I quoted logical facts and history, but your argument only refers to a game "fair"

I'll help a little with your argument,bcs it's a little hard to decipher, but what I say has a very strong argumentative fracture: I'm trying to expand the expectations of the application of a game that has been played for a long time in the same way, and that, under any circumstances, is going against the methodology used by many, and the same methodology is what keeps them effective statistics of many pilots, pretty much what I am proposing, though I say historical and logical arguments, is a restructuring of one of the most played games, and that will certainly have many problems with pilots who only know how to do what is already being done.

therefore, as I said, the only thing I'm asking is that if someone else does something different, understand that is achieved should not be demonized, much less socially isolated. the game can not be always played in the same way, and if you can not adapt to change, or even I can not, should not be cause for tantrums.

That's the fracture that I see in my argument, ask maturity

Longrifle wrote: The guys with the best KDRs in the game typically play for that stat.

.

well, im not lol . I fight vs any pilot, always trying to survive in trying jajajaja

=£= Ziza wrote:

[DD]Whiplash wrote:

=£= Ziza wrote: PD oh, by the way, it is curious that whip him like your comment, because when that happened that I bombardié hangars using the tactic of sneaking, he chased me almost reached my base for shooting me, allowing the rest of the pilots penetrated their territory, only to try to break me, even taking into account that I was going from his territory

Wow...almost back to your base...you never made it past midfield...but it's about as accurate as the rest of what you say. I'm done with this...we know your position and ours lets just leave it at that.

good whip, as I mentioned, this is not a matter of point of view, is that you have a concept of cowardice far from its true meaning and especially its practical application. Apparently you confuse cowardice with intelligent acts and courage acts which have advantage over your enemies.

I repeat again, I have an argument, I quoted logical facts and history, but your argument only refers to a game "fair"

I'll help a little with your argument,bcs it's a little hard to decipher, but what I say has a very strong argumentative fracture: I'm trying to expand the expectations of the application of a game that has been played for a long time in the same way, and that, under any circumstances, is going against the methodology used by many, and the same methodology is what keeps them effective statistics of many pilots, pretty much what I am proposing, though I say historical and logical arguments, is a restructuring of one of the most played games, and that will certainly have many problems with pilots who only know how to do what is already being done.

therefore, as I said, the only thing I'm asking is that if someone else does something different, understand that is achieved should not be demonized, much less socially isolated. the game can not be always played in the same way, and if you can not adapt to change, or even I can not, should not be cause for tantrums.

That's the fracture that I see in my argument, ask maturity

Yes I often confuse intelligence and cowardice how silly of me. The argumentative nature of my comments come from the fact that you continue this stupid argument that is beneath me and I only continue in the hopes of making others who are, like you, feeling that to win at all costs benefits the game.

Why is it that you ALWAYS OMIT THE POINT, ONLY IN MISMATCHED TEAMS? You tack it on somewhere in the middle of the argument that it covers this too. Of course it's a better way to win, of course you think it's right, what do you care about any of us here? You really think we never thought of going around the planes shooting at us? Maybe you will understand this, say you have 2 groups of friends, they from different schools or towns or whatever but you are all friends. You decide to play soccer (Football) and for some reason one side has 4 players only and the other comes with 16. Would you play the other 4 dancing around them using your large advantage of numbers to hammer in goal after goal. Well if you did I bet the 4 wouldn't be your friends any more. That's the point I am making. In that situation do you not loan some players to the other side so you can have a decent game or do you care about the win more?

So back to cowardice, you can't do what you are doing if the numbers are reversed. If you are in a 5 vs 2 and you are the 2 and you go way outside you leave 1 vs 5 down the middle and that would be the end. Maybe you would get 1 hangar but that would be nothing compared to the assault on yours. I call it cowardly since you are all the same you don't sneak at the start it's after being mowed down over and over that you decide to go way around because you can't win the fight even against an outnumbered enemy.

Someone who runs from a fight to take more advantage of an already disadvantaged enemy is a coward!

Or is that your superior intelligence? You'd think all this intelligence of which you speak could be used to remember the actual facts of the game or to consider all points of my counter arguments instead of picking and choosing what you care to address.

So you feel that we go down the middle because we are brainwashed or conditioned to do so...I go down the middle to keep my team alive. If I am in a team that does not have a strong head to head player and I go chasing a tank or sneaker or whatever quickly my team starts to get over run and we have a huge disadvantage and often lose. The game is played like this by so many because this is what we have learned. I love people who come into a situation with much less experience who believe they know much more than those with the experience. Wow the audacity! It's a simple matter of time and the way the game works. The fastest route is a straight line, if I can hit and take down in head to head I can make it all the way there before anyone could go around or high, hit the hangar respawn and defend. So you must defend the center, if you have less skill and less pilots you will be pushed back further and further until you are no longer even able to sneak because you spawn from a base that is surrounded by the enemy. When you have played more you will understand or probably not given the amount of time it's taken me to get the simplest of points even understood by you let alone accepted.

I await your next blind rambling of how dumb we all are for playing like we do and how taking advantage of a smaller team is in fact brave and good for everyone. I suppose my comments shouldn't really be in the droppers thread since I don't really care about droppers at all. It was just more you directed me here during the game that I called you out for being a coward and still believe much the same as I did if not more so.

I'm going to move it to a new thread so the Droppers thread can remain on point.

I second what whip just said. When im faced with a "looper" I giggle because he thinks hes all bad but I just took ok the guy behind him. 2km rang to kill me is better then the time u just wasted trying to dodge me when In reality ur being selfish for not thinking about the guy behind u. Which btw after I already shoot down the guy whom u didnt cover ill be dropping my bomb getting ready to chase u down. Being intelligent to know that ur gonna be behind me and conciderent to my team behind me. Which btw will most like move right past u cause ur in a chase with me. And if u were to pull out of the chase u would be dead cause ill be right behind u. So with all things concidered, ur wasting ur time instead of moving forward gaining grown which is ideal cause that how u get to the hangers to win the game......take a look at those stats who go head on and try to see that they have a higher rank due to hangers bomb and matches won compair to those who have 4k kills 300 deaths and oh still so far behing in rank due to less matches won and less hangers bombed. Like a wise man once said (cricket) "if ur gonna dump, I will find another way in" and it may not be the path within ur favor. Dumpers r the most hated players in the game because what they do r piontless unbenificial to the match.....take warnor voss, suragant faurx for example, they have a 1,000,000 kills but no one likes them. And if ur not here to have fun with other "people" then why r u here? Most of the players here stick around so long due to all the great ppl amd friemds theyve made here, im one to speak. If u wanna loop and all that stuff, thats fine. But dont come here starting stuff with those who prefer a different fighting style. Itd be in ur best interest to just let this go and dont reply, cause ur only making more enemies and stiring the pot. THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SCAN A CAT get let it go and let it be. Adjust ur style for the benefit of the match being won. Take in consideration how ur twam mates feel and have fun!!!!!!

I think if we kept discussions to a minimum of 3-4 sentences maybe more people would contribute to the conversation.. When I go to some threads and see people writing paragraph after paragraph the first thing out of my mouth is ughhh But atleast you guys can right a decent essay! ill give ya that LOL!


And my opinion on droppers are "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

{£}ZebraUp wrote:

Longrifle wrote: The guys with the best KDRs in the game typically play for that stat.

I like to carry most times, drop to challenge droppers, and slug it out in the middle, but everyone does there own thing. Funny how some are hated for being droppers, but others not so much. I don't see him around much anymore (which sucks because now I have a fully upgraded pair of high performance death machines to match his) but SB used to drop and is venerated for posting the rules of air combat.

Not once in a game have I ever heard even a basic amount of planning concerning having two drop and cover and two fly behind and bomb. It sounds like a great idea, especially f you have a good high/low mix. Team chat would sure help.

I agree with you Longrifle that Team Chat would be AWESOME!
However, I partially disagree with your very first sentence.. I don't play primarily for a high k/d ratio.. and neither does Ziza as far as I am aware... although I KNOW there are some players that do only care about their k/d. You'll often times see them leave a mission after getting killed a time or 2 by superior pilots.. However I play for the fun and competition that this game provides and our k/d is just a byproduct of that.. (*note:except for the couple of week period when myself & Cricket had a bet on the race to see which of us would hit 3:1 k/d first! Then I was TOTALLY all about k/d lol! )
I always carry unless on major defense or there are droppers on the opposing team... they drop, I drop.

Some teams DO have strategies for missions when they fly together.. I tend to notice things from time to time that show pre-planned strategies & tactical flying, but only when you have a few of the same squadron members flying together obviously. I hope to see more of it! This down thru the valley of death corridor thing got old quick.. especially due to the fact that I can't aim precisely with arrow keys in head to head shooting so I seldom even enter bomb the hangar missions unless I see my squadron members in one. But I am entering a lot more bomb the carrier missions now! But my favorites are dogfight missions (obviously) followed by capture the carrier & zep missions.

I think it is better stated "their style of play pushes that stat". Ziza and I have swirled and swirled, and he gets one and I get one, he crashes, I crash. I'm not giving up a five to one, plane to plane. But in a game where I carry unless confronted by a dropper and duke it out, I get two to one kdr, and he gets five to one, swirling bombless and shooting the bombers. I usually pass on df missions unless I see people i like to dance with. You like those, and rack up 15-1 or 15-2, like I just did in one, but I was really flying around most of the time looking for the two best pilots to spar with. If I hadn't seen them on the list I would have passed. Style of play. I like to slug it out. Some like to go high and wide and bomb, some like to swirl. Nothing wrong with any of them, but Rojo and SB are going to have higher KDRs because of how they play the game.

There are only three kinds of advantage in the game that I can see. Mechanical: faster machine, bigger a screen, etc., Equipment, plane turns faster, has better speed, and skill. With equal mechanical and equipment, pilots of like skill will twist for a long time. I spun around in circles with one of your pilots for nearly two hours, with one kill and one crash each. There are a few dozen players with skill well in excess of norm that can rack big KDRs, but even their style influences the stat, stretching games out, playing defense against numbers, etc.

I don't really have a side in most of these arguments, I'm just here to kill people.

[DD]Whiplash wrote:

=£= Ziza wrote:

[DD]Whiplash wrote:

=£= Ziza wrote: PD oh, by the way, it is curious that whip him like your comment, because when that happened that I bombardié hangars using the tactic of sneaking, he chased me almost reached my base for shooting me, allowing the rest of the pilots penetrated their territory, only to try to break me, even taking into account that I was going from his territory

Wow...almost back to your base...you never made it past midfield...but it's about as accurate as the rest of what you say. I'm done with this...we know your position and ours lets just leave it at that.

good whip, as I mentioned, this is not a matter of point of view, is that you have a concept of cowardice far from its true meaning and especially its practical application. Apparently you confuse cowardice with intelligent acts and courage acts which have advantage over your enemies.

I repeat again, I have an argument, I quoted logical facts and history, but your argument only refers to a game "fair"

I'll help a little with your argument,bcs it's a little hard to decipher, but what I say has a very strong argumentative fracture: I'm trying to expand the expectations of the application of a game that has been played for a long time in the same way, and that, under any circumstances, is going against the methodology used by many, and the same methodology is what keeps them effective statistics of many pilots, pretty much what I am proposing, though I say historical and logical arguments, is a restructuring of one of the most played games, and that will certainly have many problems with pilots who only know how to do what is already being done.

therefore, as I said, the only thing I'm asking is that if someone else does something different, understand that is achieved should not be demonized, much less socially isolated. the game can not be always played in the same way, and if you can not adapt to change, or even I can not, should not be cause for tantrums.

That's the fracture that I see in my argument, ask maturity

Yes I often confuse intelligence and cowardice how silly of me. The argumentative nature of my comments come from the fact that you continue this stupid argument that is beneath me and I only continue in the hopes of making others who are, like you, feeling that to win at all costs benefits the game.

Why is it that you ALWAYS OMIT THE POINT, ONLY IN MISMATCHED TEAMS? You tack it on somewhere in the middle of the argument that it covers this too. Of course it's a better way to win, of course you think it's right, what do you care about any of us here? You really think we never thought of going around the planes shooting at us? Maybe you will understand this, say you have 2 groups of friends, they from different schools or towns or whatever but you are all friends. You decide to play soccer (Football) and for some reason one side has 4 players only and the other comes with 16. Would you play the other 4 dancing around them using your large advantage of numbers to hammer in goal after goal. Well if you did I bet the 4 wouldn't be your friends any more. That's the point I am making. In that situation do you not loan some players to the other side so you can have a decent game or do you care about the win more?

So back to cowardice, you can't do what you are doing if the numbers are reversed. If you are in a 5 vs 2 and you are the 2 and you go way outside you leave 1 vs 5 down the middle and that would be the end. Maybe you would get 1 hangar but that would be nothing compared to the assault on yours. I call it cowardly since you are all the same you don't sneak at the start it's after being mowed down over and over that you decide to go way around because you can't win the fight even against an outnumbered enemy.

Someone who runs from a fight to take more advantage of an already disadvantaged enemy is a coward!

Or is that your superior intelligence? You'd think all this intelligence of which you speak could be used to remember the actual facts of the game or to consider all points of my counter arguments instead of picking and choosing what you care to address.

So you feel that we go down the middle because we are brainwashed or conditioned to do so...I go down the middle to keep my team alive. If I am in a team that does not have a strong head to head player and I go chasing a tank or sneaker or whatever quickly my team starts to get over run and we have a huge disadvantage and often lose. The game is played like this by so many because this is what we have learned. I love people who come into a situation with much less experience who believe they know much more than those with the experience. Wow the audacity! It's a simple matter of time and the way the game works. The fastest route is a straight line, if I can hit and take down in head to head I can make it all the way there before anyone could go around or high, hit the hangar respawn and defend. So you must defend the center, if you have less skill and less pilots you will be pushed back further and further until you are no longer even able to sneak because you spawn from a base that is surrounded by the enemy. When you have played more you will understand or probably not given the amount of time it's taken me to get the simplest of points even understood by you let alone accepted.

I await your next blind rambling of how dumb we all are for playing like we do and how taking advantage of a smaller team is in fact brave and good for everyone. I suppose my comments shouldn't really be in the droppers thread since I don't really care about droppers at all. It was just more you directed me here during the game that I called you out for being a coward and still believe much the same as I did if not more so.

I'm going to move it to a new thread so the Droppers thread can remain on point.

But what little I am understanding is that you're moving a game where you can choose your companions (the example of football ) , and where the number of players is static, and it certainly has nothing to do with the game we're talking about .

I remember that the characteristics of dogfight game are very difficult to predict where the only safe companion is blue you have on one side , because that is already far from you will not help you immediately (which in fact leads to question how it is possible that there are no formations • On the fly every game every man for himself )

"So back to cowardice , you can not do what you are doing if the numbers are reversed "
As I said, the numbers is not something that keeps static as well as many times you realize that you only see red when really just flying around. The influx of drivers come and go is awesome.

"If you are in a 5 vs 2 and you are the 2 way and you go outside you leave 1 vs 5 down the middle and That would be the end . Maybe you would get 1 hangar That would be nothing but Compared to the assault on yours "

WTF ? You 're reading what I write ? At what point am I saying that you should make sneaking and leave alone your partner? I'm saying the opposite, I'm telling you to drop the bomb and defend to wait until the situation improves. Apart from that you're understanding the sneaking as something to avoid the road of death, and it is not. If you read what I put 'm saying the attack must come from anywhere on the map , and go the road of death, and thus , avoid centralizing the game in just one section.

" Someone who runs from a fight to take more advantage of an enemy Already Disadvantaged is a coward ! "

I can not agree more with you, now you can understand me when I say that you should sneaking when your enemy are only two pilots who released the bomb? They will massacre every pilot approaching with bomb. Now, if you mean that if I am in a team of 5 and in you two , and decide sneaker , well, it's not my fault you do not ever drop your bomb and defend , you need to be a stubborn for going to give the shots vs many planes and pretending to defend your base. If the game 5 VS 2 the lower team loose bomb is crazy to go stand in front of them.

" You'd think all this intelligence you speak of Which Could be used to remember the actual facts of the game"

the actual facts of the game, the actual facts of the game, the actual facts of the game, the actual facts of the game ¡¡¡¡¡

Wwoooooooow , quiet, I remind you that I am here the only sociologist hahahahahaha is only joking. Look whip , that I am presenting , with that long post that began , is no more than the social profile that has the game , and what is it? In a tendency to do the same without analyzing the possible variants , untapped virtues of the game.

" I go down the middle to keep my team alive"
I honestly do not understand this

"If I am in a team That does not have a strong player head to head and I go chasing a sneaker or tank or whatever Quickly my team starts to get run over and we have a huge disadvantage and Often lose"

And then , why are we discussing? Oohh true because your looking to win the game by a fair and equitable game , giving the other team 's chances of winning or giving your team the chance to increase their power , and so both teams level . But not me, I'm looking to win even if I'm alone , I look to win against all odds , win although I'm looking at a disadvantage , I look win vs the best pilot even I have a airco , and unfortunately I think everyone thinks like me . That everyone is willing to be completed by the bullets down several enemy aircraft, and not try to give one straight from afar while he also shoots you .

"The game is played by so many like this Because this is what info we have learned"

What would happen if all the drivers have decided to vs in a dogfight whit bomb ? Also what would you do? also you fight the bomb placed? or would you say to them that makes no sense?

" I await your next blind rambling of how dumb we all are for playing like we do and how taking advantage of a smaller team is in fact brave and good for everyone . I suppose my comments Should not really be in the droppers thread since I do not really care about at all droppers . It was just more you directed me here during the game That I called you out for being a coward and still believe much the same as I did if not more so. "

I will be as brief as possible on the following:
The problem between you and me , is just one personal interpretative. I 'm competitive , you want equality , I search tactics, you want to use the method provided.

Let me clarify one thing whip , if you want to support your idea and accusation that I am a coward , do not limit your accusation , ask the other drivers if I ever left a game started. Many pilots at many pilots, either because they ask me or because I tell you because I think and believe that they need it, I tell them and show the maneuvers I do to survive or shoot down . Many I have told hem how I do it , even when I see a good pilots has problems with sensitivity controls, and he is not fighting at the level he does , I give notice that reconfigure and come to fight again .

I'll ask for an apology, and I will directed that if at any time your head veins are swollen thinking of me, doffing the tranquility of this game, forgive me . But I also ask you to be careful to tell a person coward because, as I told you , if you and I we met in person , I would have taken out of your house whit blows for you to tell me in my face . Maybe they are cultural issues (obviously they are), but accuse a player just because he does not let shoot down, is a complete attitude of child,. What you're writing in this last post has a lot of difference to your initial position, as your main point of the argument already are changing, but good.

also think my English will not let me explain well, but clarified that:

1.-The key element is always the defense
2.-Sneaking and droppers is a tactical necessity under the circumstances considered necessary, not an initial tactic, because if you can not ensure the defense of your base, you can not go on the attack (I recommend that you re-read my initial post)
3.-THE GAME IS NOT FAIR, if you have four goalkeepers, then uses four goalkeepers and if you can not, play candy crush
. 4 - Make it clear that the number of players is not always the same, you can never say that a game was and will always 5 vs 2
. 5 - The game is the entire map, which then shows that if do not want to lose your hangars when you are under a small team must pay attention to the first point

6 - . Should accept that there is more than one possibility of being attacked , attacking and defending .
7 - . Fighters are REQUIRED , not call them droppers , droppers are pilots who loose the bomb to make statistics, not to win ( or like a say, droppers and fighters it's not the same)

One more thing , if I play soccer with only 4 players vs 16 , I will win whit the 4. that's the difference between you and me

=£= Ziza wrote:

[DD]Whiplash wrote:

=£= Ziza wrote:

[DD]Whiplash wrote:

=£= Ziza wrote: PD oh, by the way, it is curious that whip him like your comment, because when that happened that I bombardié hangars using the tactic of sneaking, he chased me almost reached my base for shooting me, allowing the rest of the pilots penetrated their territory, only to try to break me, even taking into account that I was going from his territory

Wow...almost back to your base...you never made it past midfield...but it's about as accurate as the rest of what you say. I'm done with this...we know your position and ours lets just leave it at that.

good whip, as I mentioned, this is not a matter of point of view, is that you have a concept of cowardice far from its true meaning and especially its practical application. Apparently you confuse cowardice with intelligent acts and courage acts which have advantage over your enemies.

I repeat again, I have an argument, I quoted logical facts and history, but your argument only refers to a game "fair"

I'll help a little with your argument,bcs it's a little hard to decipher, but what I say has a very strong argumentative fracture: I'm trying to expand the expectations of the application of a game that has been played for a long time in the same way, and that, under any circumstances, is going against the methodology used by many, and the same methodology is what keeps them effective statistics of many pilots, pretty much what I am proposing, though I say historical and logical arguments, is a restructuring of one of the most played games, and that will certainly have many problems with pilots who only know how to do what is already being done.

therefore, as I said, the only thing I'm asking is that if someone else does something different, understand that is achieved should not be demonized, much less socially isolated. the game can not be always played in the same way, and if you can not adapt to change, or even I can not, should not be cause for tantrums.

That's the fracture that I see in my argument, ask maturity

Yes I often confuse intelligence and cowardice how silly of me. The argumentative nature of my comments come from the fact that you continue this stupid argument that is beneath me and I only continue in the hopes of making others who are, like you, feeling that to win at all costs benefits the game.

Why is it that you ALWAYS OMIT THE POINT, ONLY IN MISMATCHED TEAMS? You tack it on somewhere in the middle of the argument that it covers this too. Of course it's a better way to win, of course you think it's right, what do you care about any of us here? You really think we never thought of going around the planes shooting at us? Maybe you will understand this, say you have 2 groups of friends, they from different schools or towns or whatever but you are all friends. You decide to play soccer (Football) and for some reason one side has 4 players only and the other comes with 16. Would you play the other 4 dancing around them using your large advantage of numbers to hammer in goal after goal. Well if you did I bet the 4 wouldn't be your friends any more. That's the point I am making. In that situation do you not loan some players to the other side so you can have a decent game or do you care about the win more?

So back to cowardice, you can't do what you are doing if the numbers are reversed. If you are in a 5 vs 2 and you are the 2 and you go way outside you leave 1 vs 5 down the middle and that would be the end. Maybe you would get 1 hangar but that would be nothing compared to the assault on yours. I call it cowardly since you are all the same you don't sneak at the start it's after being mowed down over and over that you decide to go way around because you can't win the fight even against an outnumbered enemy.

Someone who runs from a fight to take more advantage of an already disadvantaged enemy is a coward!

Or is that your superior intelligence? You'd think all this intelligence of which you speak could be used to remember the actual facts of the game or to consider all points of my counter arguments instead of picking and choosing what you care to address.

So you feel that we go down the middle because we are brainwashed or conditioned to do so...I go down the middle to keep my team alive. If I am in a team that does not have a strong head to head player and I go chasing a tank or sneaker or whatever quickly my team starts to get over run and we have a huge disadvantage and often lose. The game is played like this by so many because this is what we have learned. I love people who come into a situation with much less experience who believe they know much more than those with the experience. Wow the audacity! It's a simple matter of time and the way the game works. The fastest route is a straight line, if I can hit and take down in head to head I can make it all the way there before anyone could go around or high, hit the hangar respawn and defend. So you must defend the center, if you have less skill and less pilots you will be pushed back further and further until you are no longer even able to sneak because you spawn from a base that is surrounded by the enemy. When you have played more you will understand or probably not given the amount of time it's taken me to get the simplest of points even understood by you let alone accepted.

I await your next blind rambling of how dumb we all are for playing like we do and how taking advantage of a smaller team is in fact brave and good for everyone. I suppose my comments shouldn't really be in the droppers thread since I don't really care about droppers at all. It was just more you directed me here during the game that I called you out for being a coward and still believe much the same as I did if not more so.

I'm going to move it to a new thread so the Droppers thread can remain on point.

But what little I am understanding is that you're moving a game where you can choose your companions (the example of football ) , and where the number of players is static, and it certainly has nothing to do with the game we're talking about .

I remember that the characteristics of dogfight game are very difficult to predict where the only safe companion is blue you have on one side , because that is already far from you will not help you immediately (which in fact leads to question how it is possible that there are no formations • On the fly every game every man for himself )

"So back to cowardice , you can not do what you are doing if the numbers are reversed "
As I said, the numbers is not something that keeps static as well as many times you realize that you only see red when really just flying around. The influx of drivers come and go is awesome.

"If you are in a 5 vs 2 and you are the 2 way and you go outside you leave 1 vs 5 down the middle and That would be the end . Maybe you would get 1 hangar That would be nothing but Compared to the assault on yours "

WTF ? You 're reading what I write ? At what point am I saying that you should make sneaking and leave alone your partner? I'm saying the opposite, I'm telling you to drop the bomb and defend to wait until the situation improves. Apart from that you're understanding the sneaking as something to avoid the road of death, and it is not. If you read what I put 'm saying the attack must come from anywhere on the map , and go the road of death, and thus , avoid centralizing the game in just one section.

" Someone who runs from a fight to take more advantage of an enemy Already Disadvantaged is a coward ! "

I can not agree more with you, now you can understand me when I say that you should sneaking when your enemy are only two pilots who released the bomb? They will massacre every pilot approaching with bomb. Now, if you mean that if I am in a team of 5 and in you two , and decide sneaker , well, it's not my fault you do not ever drop your bomb and defend , you need to be a stubborn for going to give the shots vs many planes and pretending to defend your base. If the game 5 VS 2 the lower team loose bomb is crazy to go stand in front of them.

" You'd think all this intelligence you speak of Which Could be used to remember the actual facts of the game"

the actual facts of the game, the actual facts of the game, the actual facts of the game, the actual facts of the game ¡¡¡¡¡

Wwoooooooow , quiet, I remind you that I am here the only sociologist hahahahahaha is only joking. Look whip , that I am presenting , with that long post that began , is no more than the social profile that has the game , and what is it? In a tendency to do the same without analyzing the possible variants , untapped virtues of the game.

" I go down the middle to keep my team alive"
I honestly do not understand this

"If I am in a team That does not have a strong player head to head and I go chasing a sneaker or tank or whatever Quickly my team starts to get run over and we have a huge disadvantage and Often lose"

And then , why are we discussing? Oohh true because your looking to win the game by a fair and equitable game , giving the other team 's chances of winning or giving your team the chance to increase their power , and so both teams level . But not me, I'm looking to win even if I'm alone , I look to win against all odds , win although I'm looking at a disadvantage , I look win vs the best pilot even I have a airco , and unfortunately I think everyone thinks like me . That everyone is willing to be completed by the bullets down several enemy aircraft, and not try to give one straight from afar while he also shoots you .

"The game is played by so many like this Because this is what info we have learned"

What would happen if all the drivers have decided to vs in a dogfight whit bomb ? Also what would you do? also you fight the bomb placed? or would you say to them that makes no sense?

" I await your next blind rambling of how dumb we all are for playing like we do and how taking advantage of a smaller team is in fact brave and good for everyone . I suppose my comments Should not really be in the droppers thread since I do not really care about at all droppers . It was just more you directed me here during the game That I called you out for being a coward and still believe much the same as I did if not more so. "

I will be as brief as possible on the following:
The problem between you and me , is just one personal interpretative. I 'm competitive , you want equality , I search tactics, you want to use the method provided.

Let me clarify one thing whip , if you want to support your idea and accusation that I am a coward , do not limit your accusation , ask the other drivers if I ever left a game started. Many pilots at many pilots, either because they ask me or because I tell you because I think and believe that they need it, I tell them and show the maneuvers I do to survive or shoot down . Many I have told hem how I do it , even when I see a good pilots has problems with sensitivity controls, and he is not fighting at the level he does , I give notice that reconfigure and come to fight again .

I'll ask for an apology, and I will directed that if at any time your head veins are swollen thinking of me, doffing the tranquility of this game, forgive me . But I also ask you to be careful to tell a person coward because, as I told you , if you and I we met in person , I would have taken out of your house whit blows for you to tell me in my face . Maybe they are cultural issues (obviously they are), but accuse a player just because he does not let shoot down, is a complete attitude of child,. What you're writing in this last post has a lot of difference to your initial position, as your main point of the argument already are changing, but good.

also think my English will not let me explain well, but clarified that:

1.-The key element is always the defense
2.-Sneaking and droppers is a tactical necessity under the circumstances considered necessary, not an initial tactic, because if you can not ensure the defense of your base, you can not go on the attack (I recommend that you re-read my initial post)
3.-THE GAME IS NOT FAIR, if you have four goalkeepers, then uses four goalkeepers and if you can not, play candy crush
. 4 - Make it clear that the number of players is not always the same, you can never say that a game was and will always 5 vs 2
. 5 - The game is the entire map, which then shows that if do not want to lose your hangars when you are under a small team must pay attention to the first point

6 - . Should accept that there is more than one possibility of being attacked , attacking and defending .
7 - . Fighters are REQUIRED , not call them droppers , droppers are pilots who loose the bomb to make statistics, not to win ( or like a say, droppers and fighters it's not the same)

One more thing , if I play soccer with only 4 players vs 16 , I will win whit the 4. that's the difference between you and me

Wow, now I am starting to think language is a barrier or you are interpreting things in such a way to make an argument. Again you pick and choose the parts to argue, miss the point completely and call yourself a brilliant brave strategist while I am a conditioned moronic coward. Funny since I never did anything like sneaking when I was on the large team of a 5 vs 2 like you did repeatedly. The flux of players didn't seem to happen as you say since it was like that for some time. Did I leave...no, did I drop other than the one time when you had no bomb right near our base...no. You can see your lack of head on fighting skill in what you say, such as, "They will massacre every pilot approaching with bomb." How so, do they gain skill, accuracy, or what? 2 planes with no bomb are guaranteed to take down all 5? Not at all. Well you believing that that's why you sneak. I have been the 2 in a 2 vs 6 and made it all the base all head on and bombed.

Here are my final remarks, I am not angry or furious as you would like to depict me. I am disappointed at the state of the community when players like yourself, who have skill, use it to take even greater advantage of a 5 vs 2 as you did in our game by sneaking. I'm sure our game was not unique in the way you play. The comments about this being different in person I very much doubt it, your threats are laughable, and if you ever want to find out we can do that but you will regret it. The point of the soccer match example was to show that no one would play like that with friends but you understood as well as you always do. Thanks for another blind rambling, I have spent far too much time already on this so I say if you need answers re-read what I said or have someone else explain it I'm done.

well whip, you obviously have many friends here, and although logic does not help you much in your argument, you will be supported, and I can not do anything about that

I sort of feel sorry to know that many people think like me, about things can change and increase the capacity of the game but perhaps for fear of acceptance they do not say, I do not know

Here ends our discussion whip, but not before mentioning what zup said to me:

“the rules is this: each plays as he wants
simple as that. if someone gets upset with that, that's his problem, is not a problem of the player “

You have no moral authority to call someone coward, but I have the authority to use different strategies that you are using, and if you do not like, cry whatever you want.

see you in the sky, and and good luck with the war tonight and I'm telling the truth, I wish you good luck

=£= Ziza wrote: well whip, you obviously have many friends here, and although logic does not help you much in your argument, you will be supported, and I can not do anything about that

I sort of feel sorry to know that many people think like me, about things can change and increase the capacity of the game but perhaps for fear of acceptance they do not say, I do not know

Here ends our discussion whip, but not before mentioning what zup said to me:

“the rules is this: each plays as he wants
simple as that. if someone gets upset with that, that's his problem, is not a problem of the player “

You have no moral authority to call someone coward, but I have the authority to use different strategies that you are using, and if you do not like, cry whatever you want.

see you in the sky, and and good luck with the war tonight and I'm telling the truth, I wish you good luck

Thanks and I do feel you are being sincere and I appreciate that very much. See you in the skies.

Hola Ziza,

For what it's worth:

*[M] McFate wrote: Official Notice:


Further explanation of :

121st Misfit's Squadron rule # 12

12: Always carry a bomb in bombing missions!
(Only drop under extreme circumstances)


This is a “squad” rule, adopted by the 121st Misfits in an effort to promote game play which is fair and focused on the mission for games which require bombing (hangars or carriers) in order to win.



(There are no official Dogfight rules requiring anyone to ever carry a bomb and the 121st Misfits Squad does not have any special authority with the game maker.)


This rule is not necessary for more than 90% of DogFight players. The issue is that pilots who drop their bomb gain speed and maneuverability, thereby gaining a significant fighting advantage over those still carrying bombs which, after all, are necessary in order to win the game. Some pilots seem to have little regard for trying to “win” the mission and instead seem happy to “pad their stats” by relentlessly preying on the slower moving red bombers. Some players do this so effectively that it can seem “abusive”, especially when done to lower rank/newer players. The 121st does not support this behavior and anyone seeking the highest possible kill-to-death ratio (KDR, K/D) over a win for the team and a good game for all, should seek camaraderie elsewhere.


The case can be made for sound tactics with which a team consisting of bombers and dropper/chasers/escorts can be very effective at destroying the target. I sincerely believe that when “squad wars” comes many of these issues will be reevaluated. When teams can be arranged and sides can be chosen the game will take on a very different dynamic. Unfortunately, the way the game currently works with all of it’s random team selection, the constantly unbalanced games and the inability to choose your match, makes it so this rule helps promote game play that is more enjoyable in general.

If you see other players, red or blue, needlessly dropping feel free to remind them that bombs are necessary to win but don’t make a scene out of complaining. Don’t whine! It is bad form and reflects poorly on the squad. . Remember that everyone has the option to play the game as they see fit and some don’t agree with rule # 12. If you don’t like the way someone is flying show them why it is a bad idea. Sure some will have some advanced skills but most of the “stat padding” players will soon leave to seek easier prey. If they don’t, feel free to leave the game. I suggest avoiding this as much as possible because it rewards the jerks, but then, why should you have to put up with it? If the dropper is blue you can leave (let them know why?) or choose to stay and bomb.



.

So, when are circumstances “extreme” enough to justify dropping bombs on anything other than a hangar or carrier? Judge for yourself how your actions will further the game objective. I’m sure there will be many replies in support of, and in opposition to these positions but here is a list of situations which qualify:



1. Taking out a tank. This is the only reason that doesn’t “waste” the bomb. It’s probably best to try to shoot a tank and save your bomb incase you miss. (There are some pilots who can take you air-to-air with a bomb but it’s definitely the rare exception.)

2. To take out Sneakers. Having a red suddenly appear directly overhead or behind you from the East or West is definitely an “extreme circumstance" and often an imminent threat. You need to do everything you can to take these guys out ASAP.

3. To evict a camper. If red has set up “camp” by flying bombless over your base you need every advantage you can get to take them out now! When you spawn, set your brake and rev up your throttle. You can touch and drag the screen to see where they are if you think they are preparing to spawn kill you. If you time it right you can usually find time to release the brakes, pop into the air and drop before they can get you. A turning fight is always better than being a sitting duck. Try to lead them away from the base so spawning blues can have a better chance to get airborne. Also; if a red has just bombed a hangar (whether they are trying to leave or planning to camp) You may assume they are going to try to shoot you down. You are perfectly justified in dropping until they have been shot down or chased off.

4. Confronting a red dropper/chaser. There are going to be reds that drop. There is no good reason for you to be their punching bag. If they insist on playing the game that way, change your tactics. If you face an impassable red chaser you may want to take the opportunity to do some sneaks. It can be tough to coordinate with your team but it can win the game. (Team chat please, zup)

5. Confronting a wave of reds when they are on final approach. Sometimes they all come over the last hill at the same time. At that point defence is top priority.

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Once you’ve dropped and taken care of the reds, (or they finally ran out of ammo) you have some options. People will have differing view points about this. Some say you should immediately land and reload. I think there are more things to consider. If you are at the blue base, no reds in sight and your teammates are already far afield, sure, by all means land and reload. If reds are in sight, forget it. By the time you’re ready to get back in the air the reds could be shooting you before you are airborne. If you are in red territory and there are other blues who have bombs you can chase or “escort”. Do everything you can to protect or draw fire away from the blue bombers. You can be a very effective protector/distraction without camping directly over the enemy base. Chances are someone will complain. Just don’t hang over the red base camping or spawnkilling while there are no inbound bombers.

(and then of course):

6. When heavily outnumbered, when you’re down to 2 vs 5 or worse. Take it straight or feel free to drop and hang in there as best you can until help arrives. Some 2 vs 6 games can be incredible! It can really get your adrenaline pumping!


This is really just all a matter of etiquette. It’s a case of doing unto others as you would have done onto yourself. The 121st Misfits encourage their members to extend this courtesy to the DogFight community. (Other Squads are welcome to adopt this in whole or in part.)



*[M] McFate
Media Officer
121st Misfit’s Squadron

From my big text

" Well, I think that at this point we can say that we’re all agree. The next thing it’s a little complicated for explain and it might sound even philosophic: the game creates us or we create the game?

This question has an important overtone, ‘because this is where negative toward dropper’s burns. The game have a moral made by pilots and another formal made by the game, it means that, the first responds to what we say is wrong or right and the second, to those thing that systematically the game tell us that some act is wrong, and that we’ll have our appropriate, that includes shoot a blue balloon o drop a bomb in your own flattop, and stuff like that "

The rules of the squad it's made with this morals rules, and that's the problem. Apparently the moral rules it's more important than the real rules of the game. In consequence, nobody can play with another style, because many players gonna take mad ... Sorry my english

No worries Ziza.

I'm just posting what the Misfits' official position is. Note that I encourage players to change tactics or leave the game rather than complaining too much. On the other view, it would be considerate for anyone joining a game already in progress to consider the requests of those already playing. Similar to when players already in a game are trying to do a tournament, circus flying or a squad training. It is a bumber when someone new spawns in and spoils it for everyone else just to be selfish. Why can't they respect the wishes of those already in game?


Frankly, other than the few offenses that are specifically stated as reasons someone can be banned, relentless spawnkilling (except at the German base at the end of a zeppelin game) is the only thing that I feel is truly unfair and worthy of complaints.

Gracias ziza por.escribir asi de bien excelente, amigo estoy totalmente de acuerdo yo creo qe esa manera de.encarar la empezaron a utilizar los pilotos mas noveles ya qe.sus aviones son mas lentos sencillamente eso creo que ha pasado.aver yo ataco cara a cara pero me encanta la tactica, cuando atacan a mi aeropuerto a veces me poso delante espero y derribo a los enemigos qe qieren destruir mi aeropuerto.otras veces vuelo a mas d 2000 pies y caigo desde las nubes en el aeropuerto enemigo, otras flanqeo los obstaculos para intentar ayudar a mi eqipo a ganar, otras a una distancia del aeropuerto vuelo en circulos o caigo desde arriba protegiendo los bombardrs
Son tacticas mas otras muchas ke utilizo.me.resulta aburridos los cara a cara sobre todo si son partidas largas.yo me dviert
Jugando, creo qe no debemos qitarle la esencia
Al juego por que lo vamos a convertir en monotono y carente de toda tactica militar.me parece genial lo qe.as.escrito....y digo yo cuando empeze me.derribaban miles fe.veces enzo embizzy strachan ...por qe soy un tramposo cobarde o mal jugador por derribar a los qe pueda y de la forma correcta (incorrecrapara muchos) con el unico fin de.qe gane mi eqipo?.yo cuando caia me levantaba siempre preguntadle a los pilotos qe he mencionado..no los dejaba se tenian qe cambiar de juego les persegia aun sabiendo qe me.
Fundirian jejeje.esa es la mejor manera de aprender ahora muchos me temen, yo respeto todo pero tambien kiero que me respeten hace poco me.acribillaron en el aeropuerto pero no proteste no dije nada, apenas podia despegar es una guerra y lo entiendo.yo solo qiero eso que cada uno aporte cosas diferentes qe.son las que nos haran mejores pilotos por qe todos las aprenderemos.si no se dejan de poner o inventar o prohibir cosas, nos cargaremos el juego .por qe? Pues por que eliminamos la esencia e idea para la cual se creo. (Vencer al enemigo utilizando tus mejores armas y ayudar a ganar a tu equipo con honor) no para insultarnos continuamente.no se si habra pilotos que piensen lo mismo yo estoy a favor de todas las tacticas y formas fe jugar siempre qe se hagan en beneficio de tu equipo.
No quiero ofender a nadie ni tampoco censurar los cara a cara por ejemplo!! Yo cuando juego
Me.quiero divertir y que.los que esten en mi equipo tambien se.diviertan pero a la vez que
Aprendan tambien....hay varios pilotos qe me.llaman maestro o super yo les digo que gracias!! Qe ellos son excelentes tambien y lo que mas feliz me hace esque me.dicen que conmigo siempre aprenden algo nuevo.de.eso se trata...de estar aprenfiendo cosas nuevas para qe no te.resulte aburrido ademas ayudaras a los demas a qe.sigan escalando eso es lo imporrante debemos ser respetuosos con los demas sea cual sea la manera de.jugar que ellos utilicen y finalizo diciendo que por favor un respeto a todos los moraf...el otro dia me.dispararon de mi eqipo varias veces a drede por la espalda...no es justo ya qe yo a menos qe sea de manera reiterada disparo a nadie suelo ponerlo en conocimiento de moderadores .pero pido un respeto por todos lo
Que llevamos mucho tiempo disfrutando de el todos y cada uno de los pilotos de merecen un respeto..especialmente los moraf, tengo qe.reconocer qe algunos no se merecen esa distincion ya kr no lo hacen con honor el qe conlleva ser el rango mas alto, aun asi solo es alguno que por cierto suelen sancionar tarde o temprano pero no juzgueis a todos los
Mariscales por igual por favor un respeto.
Espero ke entre todos sigamos haciendo de este
Juego el mejor no hay otro mejor cuidemosle entre todos por favor.si cada de nosotros solo piensa que el otro no es limpio o un tramposo
Por utilizar las armas qe.me mejor se le den mal vamos y mal interpretaremos el juego este juego tiene que seguir creciendo vamos a poner todos un poqito de nuestra parte para hacerlo aun mejor un abrazo.




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Yo al igual que ziza quiero que.se.traduzca al ingles lo mejor qe se pueda un abrazo a todos amigos.nos vemos en el aire.